DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:
Don the only problem is your understanding of MS and there business practises. No one is forcing anyone, they are hired to do a job. You are not forced to work at your job, you do it to get paid. 343i only exists to make Halo, if Halo didn't exist than neither would 343. If devs want to make newer experiences and didn't want to make Halo games anymore than they can get transferred to a different company or look elsewhere just like a real job. Again 343i was made to create Halo that's why they make Halo games. No one is forced because 343 is part of MS and run a division, its not a brand outside of MS.
With your logic that's like you saying Sony's TV division are forced to make TVs.. haha you see what your saying? Divisions are made to continue the business in categories that's what 343i is to MS. More importantly is how the staff inside 343 are treated, if they want to move on to other things and if MS allow for those transfers. You should know this if you have a job. Its basic job practises.
So stop comparing brands that were built from the ground up to brands that weren't. Completely different directions and focus. I don't want 343 to make other games, I want them to continue the Halo brand much like what they were created to do. There not forced its there job. Forced is the wrong term for that subject.
You amaze me with your knowledge of spin-offs. Mario and Rabbids is a Mario game, not a Mario Kameo, if anything Rabbids are the kameo in that Mario game just like Hyrule Warriors is a Zelda game, Halo Wars is a Halo game.
So what part of spin-offs don't you understand? If Mario made a appearance in Pokémon than that's called a Kameo. A game that's designed with Mario in mind with a full Mario story, Mario characters and art style than that is a Mario game. Only thing different is the genre much the same as Halo Wars correct.
Spin-Offs
Title - Mario and Rabbids Title - Halo Wars 2 Title - Zelda Hyrule Warriors
Developer - Ubisoft Developer - Creative Assembly Developer - Omega Force
Genre - RTS Genre - RTS Genre - Action
Mainline
Title - Mario Odyssey Title - Halo 5 Guardians Title - Zelda BOTW
Developer - Nintendo Developer - 343i Developer - Nintendo
Genre - Platformer Genre - Shooter Genre - RPG
^ What's the difference? Both using there franchises in the same way.
TOPIC - Now for my opinion on the topic at hand is Rare needs SoTs to succeed to not be closed down and that's a more important subject. Weather they have a contract with the game for afew years is all up to Rare and MS and what they have planned. This is a business about making money so they will do what's required. Rare has too much to be locked into 1 game forever. MS will most likely build a brand up to monitor the MMO while Rare makes something new or old. Much like how MS's history shows in the past.
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And you aren't understanding that buying a dev that already exist and demanding a specific game is just the same. If the devs over there want to make another game they can look for another job the same way. So again I ask you the difference.
You are really reaching. Comparing the development of a single IP on an industry to a whole industry.
So Ubisoft makes a Rabbid game but it's a Mario game with Rabbid Kameo? This is gold.
Yes it's a Mario game, Mario characters, not Mario franchise. Mario have dozen of different franchises and IP that you can consider spin-off if you want. But nope, they are different IPs that use the chars.
And again I haven't once said Halo Wars isn't a spin-off, I said that you comparing a franchise spin-off to games made using the same chars is funny. This is why I said if it called Master Chief's Wars and revolved on the Master Chief instead of Halo franchise then it would be closer to the Mario situation. But anyway that is semantics.
Sure SoT being successful is important to Rare. And seems like for the happiness of most here, for then to develop bigger and better games.
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Dude it doesn't matter if another dev makes the games or use there characters, Mario and Rabbids is still a Mario game and its still milking all the same. Using Mario or Link or Nathan Drake in other games is still the same thing. Mario and Rabbids is only one Mario game they released this year, how many other Mario games get released though out the years. Halo Wars is also made by a different dev so what's the difference? There isn't. You want to point out that MS milk there franchises by releasing games yearly and jumping on Halo Wars 2 and MCC as milking then act like Nintendo do it differently is embarrassing on your behalf.
Nintendo and Sony both milk when there's money involved. Sony milks GT, Nintendo milks Mario and MS milk Halo.
We also don't know the contract 343 has with MS, maybe they do and maybe they don't have the freedom outside of Halo, I highly doubt they do and it doesn't matter because you would be a stupid dev to accept a job roll at 343i if you are not into making Halo games. If you want to say there forced go for it, I wont stop you, now take into account Rare isn't 343 so keep that in mind and I haven't heard any complaints about 343 wanting to move past Halo.
Now I am done debating this with you. I have taken a neutral side on all 3 big brands here not singling one out yet you still want to throw eggs at MS for milking Halo and locking devs into making 1 IP for there eternity is silly and doesn't seem like you want to change that mindset. So go write a thread about how bad MS is and there shameful acts of milking brands.
This thread is about Rare and its future, and MS has allowed Rare to make a new IP which puts all your points about MS to rest.
eva01beserk said:
Azzanation said:
Don the only problem is your understanding of MS and there business practises. No one is forcing anyone, they are hired to do a job. You are not forced to work at your job, you do it to get paid. 343i only exists to make Halo, if Halo didn't exist than neither would 343. If devs want to make newer experiences and didn't want to make Halo games anymore than they can get transferred to a different company or look elsewhere just like a real job. Again 343i was made to create Halo that's why they make Halo games. No one is forced because 343 is part of MS and run a division, its not a brand outside of MS.
With your logic that's like you saying Sony's TV division are forced to make TVs.. haha you see what your saying? Divisions are made to continue the business in categories that's what 343i is to MS. More importantly is how the staff inside 343 are treated, if they want to move on to other things and if MS allow for those transfers. You should know this if you have a job. Its basic job practises.
So stop comparing brands that were built from the ground up to brands that weren't. Completely different directions and focus. I don't want 343 to make other games, I want them to continue the Halo brand much like what they were created to do. There not forced its there job. Forced is the wrong term for that subject.
You amaze me with your knowledge of spin-offs. Mario and Rabbids is a Mario game, not a Mario Kameo, if anything Rabbids are the kameo in that Mario game just like Hyrule Warriors is a Zelda game, Halo Wars is a Halo game.
So what part of spin-offs don't you understand? If Mario made a appearance in Pokémon than that's called a Kameo. A game that's designed with Mario in mind with a full Mario story, Mario characters and art style than that is a Mario game. Only thing different is the genre much the same as Halo Wars correct.
Spin-Offs
Title - Mario and Rabbids Title - Halo Wars 2 Title - Zelda Hyrule Warriors
Developer - Ubisoft Developer - Creative Assembly Developer - Omega Force
Genre - RTS Genre - RTS Genre - Action
Mainline
Title - Mario Odyssey Title - Halo 5 Guardians Title - Zelda BOTW
Developer - Nintendo Developer - 343i Developer - Nintendo
Genre - Platformer Genre - Shooter Genre - RPG
^ What's the difference? Both using there franchises in the same way.
TOPIC - Now for my opinion on the topic at hand is Rare needs SoTs to succeed to not be closed down and that's a more important subject. Weather they have a contract with the game for afew years is all up to Rare and MS and what they have planned. This is a business about making money so they will do what's required. Rare has too much to be locked into 1 game forever. MS will most likely build a brand up to monitor the MMO while Rare makes something new or old. Much like how MS's history shows in the past.
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What you just described is 343 being forced to do halo. If they don't then get the hell out.
Even in the tv business there's some creative choice. Lets say the techies want to advance LED but sony says no, you have to do OLED its the future, if not get the hell out. then they would be force to do it. That's the thing about being a dev, you are meant to create. I get what you mean that 343 was created for halo, But like don said at some point, forcing the same thing on the devs will make them either quit so they can finally explore their horizon(with so little dev power ms cant afford that) or they will keep making poor quality games since they cant squeeze anymore out of it, or just are tired and cant come up with anything else. How bad halo 5 was received and the declining sales is proof of that.
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That's what there job is. 343 hire devs that want to work on Halo. Hence why the brand is called 343i after a Halo character. If you work for 343 you are contracted to work on Halo. Either way the point has gone past many. If you want to say there forced by there own will to make Halo games than go for it. I think the business model has gone past a few in here.
343 was built solely to build Halo games unlike Rare.
As for the TV example, that division can go on to innovate better TVs however they still only make TVs. Game brands thrive to make better games by innovating so the differences is all the same.
Last edited by Azzanation - on 16 December 2017
