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Frogger on 01 December 2017
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Barkley said:
spemanig said:
I'm extremely uncomfortable with just how easily "too Japanese" or "more Japanese than the other" are being thrown around, as if to be Japanese is to carry a negative connotation, or as if the more specific criticisms people want to address are somehow intrinsic to Japanese culture. A lot of unknowingly racist statements are being thrown around as if it's acceptable. Replace the word "Japanese" with "black," and join me in my discomfort.

You're allowed to dislike tropes, mechanics and styles that are generally unique to a Japanese developed game. Don't try and turn this into a "racist" thing.

It is, though. Again, substitute Japanese with black or white. If you have problems with tropes, mechanics, or styles, talk about it in those terms. No one talks about vast open world filled with busy work and say "wow, this game is way too European."

Nautilus said:
spemanig said:
I'm extremely uncomfortable with just how easily "too Japanese" or "more Japanese than the other" are being thrown around, as if to be Japanese is to carry a negative connotation, or as if the more specific criticisms people want to address are somehow intrinsic to Japanese culture. A lot of unknowingly racist statements are being thrown around as if it's acceptable. Replace the word "Japanese" with "black," and join me in my discomfort.

What are you blabbing about?One has nothing to do with the other.

Yes, they do.

last92 said:
spemanig said:
I'm extremely uncomfortable with just how easily "too Japanese" or "more Japanese than the other" are being thrown around, as if to be Japanese is to carry a negative connotation, or as if the more specific criticisms people want to address are somehow intrinsic to Japanese culture. A lot of unknowingly racist statements are being thrown around as if it's acceptable. Replace the word "Japanese" with "black," and join me in my discomfort.

I don't think this is about being "too japanese". I love anime, manga and japanese stuff, but the problem here is that the character design sucks. When reviewers say that it's "too japanese" they probably mean "bad quality, generic anime". I think that anyone slightly knowledgeable about animation and character design will tell you that xc2 characters are awful.

Btw, I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but Persona 5 is "very japanese" and it still got amazing scores.

Then they should say that, because that's the difference between making a racially ignorant comment and making a substantiated criticism.

This is separate, because I was only talking about the disparaging Japanese comments, but I don't understand the criticism of the art style when the same people like the art in Persona. They are both generic bubblegum anime/manga art styles. I don't like the art direction that much either, but if I can stomach the anime-ification of Persona after they ditched Kaneko who didn't have a generic style in P3, anyone should be able to deal with this which isn't remotely as drastic a shift. It's fine, and not much worse than other popular games in this genre.