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StarDoor said: 

Let me try to answer  the three paragraphs you wrote about the term "overrated". I am not literally saying that my opinion is correct and that other people's aren't. Rather that my opinion of it is just significantly lower than the life changing game people make it out to be. It's not saying my opinion is the correct one though. It's saying that my opinion, in comparison to others, is significantly lower. I guess you are right, it does not make sense to use the term overrated. That being said, I have never called Odyssey overrated on the forums, I might have said it about completely different games but not Odyssey. I will try to not use that word from now on but ... it doesn't really apply in this thread. Alex from Nintendo Life wasn't bashing people who said "overrated", he was bashing people who complained about the game. I used overrated to substitute for people who criticized aspects of the game, so that I didn't have to make an unnecessarily long comment, you know ... because I didn't expect you to get upset all the sudden and start a war?  

"Maybe I was too hasty in assuming the worst from your post. If this had been the first time I ever saw you say anything about Odyssey, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. Unfortunately, I've read multiple comments from you about how it wasn't a masterpiece, it was an 8.5 out of ten, Sonic Mania was so much better, etc, then there was your click-bait thread about Jim Sterling, and finally you posted on my wall just a few days ago with DigiBro's negative review. Then, I enter this completely unrelated thread and see you post about Odyssey, of all things, and you're even defending someone who called the game "overrated." So, at this point, I'm thinking, "you've gotta be fucking kidding me. Can he not go a week without letting everyone know about how he didn't think Odyssey was that great?"

Uh .... what? Are you sure you aren't ... grossly over-exaggerating? I mean, this comment reads like I'm some kind of hater troll, or just a cynical bitter asshole. I might be a bit of the latter, but not to the extent you seem to assume. I think you're interpreting too much out of some honestly pretty innocent comments. 

I literally have gone out of my way to show every comment I've ever made on the forum threads about Odyssey, just to show you that your examination of me is off: 

October 31st/November 1st Super Mario Odyssey Metacritic Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
This game was good.

October 31st/November 1st How Far Are You In Odyssey? Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
I beat the game like on the 29th, so in 2 days. It wa a good game. 

Overall like an 8/10

October 31st/November 1st Super Mario Odyssey Sells 2 Million in 3 Days Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
Pretty cool. My 15 mil prediction becomes more likely as the days progress.

November 1st YOUR Game of the Year? (As of October 31st) Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
I've only played 4 games this year, 5 if you include Breath of the Wild which I have to start over and finish. 

So far i'd say Sonic Mania. But I could see it changing into Odyssey. I don't know ... Odyssey, like Breath of the Wild, is definitely a game where my opinion needs time to simmer. It has amazing movement mechanics, but a fuck ton of issues.

(If you're offended by the use of "fuck ton" I can assure you it's just casual talk and not trashing on the game ....)

November 1st MY THREAD What do you think of Mario Odyssey? :

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 

Hello all you beautiful people.

So now that i've finished the game over 3 days ago, I'm wondering how opinions on simmering for other people? How do you feel about this game? I looked on GameFaqs forums and there seems to be a healthy amount of debate over whether or not the game is amazeballs. Some Youtubers like Joseph Anderson have said it's a 6/10 game, and not as good as Galaxy and 3D World.  In some corners of the internet it seems divisive, although I imagine that's not the case for the majority of the people.

Still, i'm interested in everyone's opinion and want to know what you think! How do you feel about this game?

Personally on my first run of the game I thought it was pretty good, heavily flawed but a very enjoyable experience. 

November 2nd Favorite 3D Mario? Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
From the 3 ive played :
3d World > Odyssey > 3d Land

*Guiduc replies

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
guiduc said:

3D World?

Heathen.

If Odyssey had a lot of quality content, it would be by far better. It already has a better subgenre and way better movement mechanics. But 3D World is just so much better at what it tries to accomplish. 3D World is just so fun, basically my first remembered experience with Mario (besides fucking around with Galaxies and NSMB wii as a kid, though I never liked them or played them much)


November 4th Favorite 3D Mario Game? Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
curl-6 said:

I had forgotten Cascade Kingdom, that was indeed musically wonderful, but 8 Kingdoms in I still haven't heard anything as quite magical as Gusty Garden or Rosalina's Observatory. Still, I believe I'm about halfway through the game so who knows, maybe the best is yet to come.

From my super limited and untrustworthy experience with Galaxy : I thin Odyssey stacks up pretty well in terms of soundtracks. Granted I haven't played Galaxy in like 10 years and I never played it much, but I remember pretty much every popular track from the game because it's OST get's circle-jerked(and rightfully so xD!) In relation, I think Odyssey stacks up very well! It might not be "better" than Galaxy's OST, and it might not have as many great songs(I'll leave the Mario expeerts to decide on these two). But it also has a whole lot less areas than Galaxy.

I kind of hate Jump Up, Superstar! Because it has taken any and all discussion about the amazing soundtrack away from other songs and put the spotlight solely on it. Sort of like how Radiohead felt about Creep in the 90's!!! There are songs equally as good if not better on the soundtrack. 

Here are amazing Odyssey songs. I tried to .... somewhat ... rank them xD :

(And even if this last one sounds like generic elevator music, it is still amazing!)

Halfway through that I forgot what I had ranked thus far, so things got sloppy! It just shows the flash sign! Lol. xD

I think the problem is that Nintendo has made so much music that veterans might think some of the tracks aren't special. Just from hearing some of those again I can hear Zelda, Mario Galaxy, Donkey Kong Country ... even a little Banjo ... which isn't even Nintendo!

Regardless, I'd say it's one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard for a game! The goals for Nintendo on this one were quite different from Galaxy. Galaxy is course based so you really just need to focus on making epic songs, or a few mellow songs that are short. Nintendo had to make songs for this that would stay continously great after hours of play, and I think they nailed it! There was some contention over the Breath of the Wild soundtrack, but Odyssey's nails it! I would even say it's underrated and needs more attention!

November 7th Sonic Forces Switch Version Thread: 

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
Sonic Mania is better than Odyssey by an incredibly large margin, kind of sad to see Forces looks mediocre

*Shaunodon replies

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
Shaunodon said: 

It's becoming hard to tell if everything you say is just satire.

Yeah after I wrote that comment I realized it could come off as satire but it's not. I love both games but I prefer Mania, I only compared it to Odyssey because that seems to be the standard for platformers on the Switch.

November 13th(almost a full week later) Super Mario Odyssey BURIED 3D World Thread:

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
RolStoppable said: 
I remember the OP. He has been against Super Mario 3D World from the get-go and used any chance to bash it, so it isn't a surprise that this thread exists.

The main problem with this thread is that it ignores that all of Nintendo's games failed to prevent the Wii U from failure status, so the real issue was the Wii U hardware itself. On the other hand we have Switch which represents the opposite, lifting sales of all software. This means that if Super Mario 3D World and Super Mario Odyssey were swapped in terms of the console they released on, SM3DW would handily outsell SMO.

Another issue that is typical in such a comparison is the use of the word 'ambition' which to most people really only means 'open world' and therefore a game where you can run around without having to worry about dying. Hence why the OP criticizes the time limit in SM3DW despite how lax it is. Hence why SM3DW is described as dumbed down when it's really SMO that is for the most part a dumbed down 3D platformer in the mold of Donkey Kong 64.

Holy shit, glad someone said it ... 

November 13th, Same Thread: 

AngryLittleAlchemist said: 
spemanig said: 
I'd rather 3D world as it's more franchise authentic. If you want freedom, play Zelda.

Freedom in Mario would be pretty cool if you had cool things to do, though. 

Breath of the Wild was an "imaginary" playground, so much of the game is interpreting your own enjoyment which is why some people don't like it.

But Odyssey is freedom with a cap on it, so it needs to have better linearized objectives. It does have some good ones, but they could use improvements. 


...And ... that is pretty much every comment I've made on these threads about Odyssey. I might have missed a comment or two, but give me some credit, I had to go back 300 comments to find all of these! As you can see, your view seems to be a gross exaggeration. As far as I can tell I've never even called the game overrated, at least not on the actual forums. Look, I was a bit negative with the game. But is that really so bad? All you can gather from my comments is that I don't think it's a perfect game but that I still massively enjoy it. Even when I'm admitting it's faults I'm still pulling my punches - saying that it's a great title, that it has one of my favorite soundtracks of all time, etc. Yet, you interpreted this as some kind of crusade I have against Odyssey ... because? I think you are looking too much into it. It's still a great title and one of  the better ones I've played in the past few years. Plus, an 8.5 on my scale is higher than an 8.5 on other people's scales. It doesn't mean I can't say a negative thing about it.  Even your statement about doing it weekly is odd - the game just launched, and since I spent four days playing the game and came back to the forum on the 31st,  I would probably have much less comments on it this month had I been here at launch ... but the game just launched so of course i'm going to talk about it. I barely even talk about the game at all though ... not exactly what i'd call a pattern.

Your examples of Jim Sterling and Digibro....which are just ... ? I don't see how those would aid in your outburst. First of all - the Jim Sterling thread is not there to make a point about Odyssey. You seemed to have acknowledged this earlier when you said the thread was fine, but now you're telling me that that had a role in this series of events that made you come to this conclusion? That doesn't make sense. The thread was not making fun of Super Mario Odyssey or Nintendo fans or anything like that, it was just meant to be funny, and on a smaller note show how many people will jump on someone without a second-thought. Second of all, the Digibro thing was a joke. I thought that since we were both Digi fans you would understand the irony. Digi does not even have a Switch yet (his brother does) and he hasn't even played Odyssey. It's not a "review", the video is just him complaining about the colors in Odyssey. Which, if you know about Digi, is funny. Because Digi's eyes are FUCKED UP. They are literally so bad that he has to wear shades in doors if it's daylight .... most of the time. He has made entire videos randomly praising the colors of the GBA. I sent the video as a joke because I expected you to understand the irony .... I even put "confirmed" there as a joke, which is common on the internet. The video is mass downvoted, not exactly a great criticism piece. Yet you took it as an actual attack against the game?

"Yeah, I write scathing comments because it seems like half of the time you're just shitposting, which especially egregious since you can actually write very well."

I appreciate the compliment but I can't agree with this. See, this is why I hate the internet. I have an average of 13 posts per day. Which, not only means i'm a Grade A no-life, but also means I make a lot of comments. A lot. Depending on what comments you see without context, you could see me as a Playstation fanboy, a Nintendo fanboy, a PC fanboy, whatever you want. You can justify any interpretation you want no matter how wrong it is. The reality is a good majority of my comments are mundane. A huge majority. You only think like this because you're constantly focusing on the comments you interpret negatively and making a basis off that. Not only have I shown those interpretations to be wrong, but the comments you focus on are a small minority anyways. 

You didn't even do me the courtesy of clarifying what exactly you meant by this statement(jk) . If you're talking specifically about the Odyssey comments - well we already cleared that up. If you mean all comments, than how so? I'm assuming it's the former, or just any comments you take issue with, which again are a minority. If I had to guess, 85% of my comments are mundane, 7.5% of my comments are shitposts/jokes/satire, the other 7.5% are edgy comments  with a grain of truth. Sure i make shitposts, like I guess you could consider the Jim Sterling thread a shitpost, or the comment I wrote on my wall a shitpost, but so what? It's the internet, they are jokes and they aren't doing any harm and they're fairly obvious satire. 

But maybe you are justified in your interpretation of them. I don't know. Maybe I am missing something. I didn't know i'd be coming to court today This whole thing is kind of silly, but so be it.