| Ka-pi96 said: Key word, Germany was democratic. That quickly changed after Hitler took power. I also find it kind of ironic that wars tend to happen for the reasons that you seem to be promoting. ie. people should do what we do. Rather than people respecting other's rights to decide things for themselves as I believe. That's why the US attacked Vietnam. That's why Argentina attacked the UK. The real question is how you can enforce "union" on people that don't want it? You simply can't without encouraging more wars and violence. If everyone wants to be part of one sovereign entity together like you seem to want, then that's fine. That would work. But when they don't? You either have to respect their wishes or force them to stay united (which rarely succeeds and usually just leads to a whole lot of bloodshed). |
Well yes that changed when Hitler took power but it is still democracy that brought Hitler to power and that is my point. Democracy does not intrinsically mean peace as proven by Hitler's democratic access to power. Whereas a union like the EU does mean peace. There is yet to be a war inside the EU proving me wrong.
Also union is enforced in the same way a split of the EU would be enforced on people. If any decision out there you consider enforcing on people then any decision is enforced including division. I am glad with the EU, why should Brexit or Catalans enforce a division I do not wish for?
So if we agree ANY decision is enforced on people then we are in a deadlock. If we agree that a deadlock means no more decisions which in turns means anarchy, then you must agree that decisions MUST be taken, decisions that will in a way be enforced on someone cause there is always someone out there that will not agree to the decisions taken, no matter what the decision is.
So if enforcing is unavoidable and necessary for progress to continue, why not enforce the right decision? Yes I mean union. And before you say why union over division, I'll say again what I said a million times before: Because division has PROVEN time and again in the past history to have brought wars and hatred and invasions and instability in general. Union on the other hand has brought stability and peace inside the EU.
So you're willing to risk division with all the possible consequences of war over union with all the peace and stability it has brought in the past 60 years for what? The right to call some stretch of land independent? What is that going to bring for you, what is that going to change in your life? Aren't you going to have to still get a job to pay your bills? Are people's real problems of their every day lives be different in an independent small patch of land? Nope, you still will have the same problems and issues to deal with everyday, how to put food on the table, how to put clothes on your children etc. On the other hand you will lose a lot. You will lose the right to freely move as you please in that much bigger space called the EU without a passport, you are going to find yourself walled in, within the borders of your newly independent state, how is that progress for you or for your children?
Like I said before, you are not seeing the big picture and yes we are definitely agreeing... on disagreeing.
Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 06 November 2017
