| Ka-pi96 said: Why? Why would people suddenly start wanting independence when they didn't before? Why would people that like their country want independence from it? Better yet, why would people who depend on their country want independence from it? Cultural groups of people based in specific regions wanting independence is very different from everyone wanting independence. And if those groups of people and regions want independence, why exactly would that start wars? Well... unless countries like Spain refuse to give them independence and force them into a civil war of course, but otherwise why would it start wars? And yeah, not everyone necessarily wanting independence is an issue. Just look at Ireland, that was split in to two countries and even then not everyone is happy with outcome. At the very least people near the border are easier to sort out. Borders can be redrawn, so if a load of people on the border between Catalonia and the rest of Spain want to stay in Spain then that could be accomplished. You say Catalonia wouldn't allow it, but if it were to be an amicable split between Spain and Catalonia then I'm sure an agreement could be reached regarding border territories. As for those deeper within Catalonia, that's still an issue. At the very least I doubt any of them would actually want to be independent of Catalonia, rather just stay a part of Spain. Who knows, perhaps in some areas that could even work. Gibraltar are still a part of the UK after all. As for whether my government would allow my house to become independent, well obviously I think they should. But I wouldn't want to anyway, for starters I don't actually own a house, but even if I did why would I want to stop receiving the benefits of being part of the UK, specifically the free healthcare system. Like I said, there's reasons not everyone would want independence, and other than because they may like their country there are also benefits to being part of a country. |
People don't suddenly want independence. Nationalism is like an instinct, it's srongly rooted in people, it's part of that primitive section of their brain like tribalism, cults and ceremonial behavior. People need to overcome that part of themselves but so far they can't and they give in to it and against common sense they want division rather than union.
Groups wanting independence may be different from single individuals wanting independence but if your argument is that the people are the ones to decide unilaterally then there is no reason individuals should not have the right to be independent in the land they own. I don't want my country's law applying in my house. I want to make my own laws.
And why would nationalism start wars eventually? Because that's what humans do, sooner or later they see a neighbor as a threat or they covet their neighbor's riches or they just want to expand their land. In a totally divided Europe where every small region is independent, who's to stop war? If a small state attacks another small state, the other small states will likely stay out cause it's none of their business and even if they intervene by making alliances the outcome will still be war but on a bigger scale.
Did you not notice how Europe has been at war for 90% of its history? Did you not notice how the EU as been (militarily speaking) at peace inside of its territory for 100% of its existence? Granted its existence is still short compared to the rest of Europe's history but more than 60 years of peace should be considered a valid and strong case for union vs division.
I think the issue here is that you lack vision, you need to step back and look at the big picture, my friend. And not just at some local nationalisms and their personal and selfish motivations.
We have a motto here in Belgium that is sadly being drowned by Flemish nationalism. And that motto is "L'union fait la force" or "Union makes us stronger". And I do believe it would make us stronger... If only we could be wise enough to apply it.
Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 06 November 2017
