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scrapking said:
Aeolus451 said:
No, it wouldn't be worth it. It's unnatural for humans (omnivores) not to eat meat of any kind. Vegans and vegetarians could not live their lifestyle outside of the modern world where they have access to supplements/vitamins, medicine and to a wide variety of foods.

There's no debate that many humans practice omnivorous behaviour, but given the reams of diet-related diseases (heart disease, diabetes, stroke, many cancers, etc.) that isn't necessarily any kind of an endorsement.

There is significant and growing debate about how omnivorous our bodies are.  We have short/blunt teeth, the ability to move our jaws side to side, no claws, and shorter intestines, all traits typical of herbivores.  If a human adopts a meat-only diet, they'll likely die of scurvy in a hurry.

Many ancient cultures were mostly, or even entirely, plant-based.  The plant-based cultures were often the longest-living ones.

You're perpetuating the big lie that meat is nutrient dense and plant-based foods nutrient-poor.  The truth is the opposite, plant-based foods have more nutrients per calorie and often a wider array of nutrients than animal-based foods.  Medicine?  Most medicines are synthesized from plants.  And 80% of our medical costs go to treat people with diet and lifestyle diseases that are caused by eating meat/dairy/eggs (and, to be fair, refined carbohydrates).  The truth is the opposite of what you've said on almost every point.

When I was an omnivore, and later when I was a pescetarian, I took a tonne of supplements to make up for the fact that I couldn't eat nearly as many nutrients as I can on a whole-food, plant-based diet.  Now I take no supplements at all, aside from vitamin D (and I only take that in the winter).

No, humans are entirely omnivore. A plant only diet is unnatural to humans and will slowly kill someone or permantly cause damage to their bodies unless they take supplements. Our bodies require enough nutruits from meats/animals based products that we need a daily intake of some of it. 

B1 - 
 

Signs of Deficency 

Muscle pain – typically in the calves due to rapid accumulation of lactic acid after slight physical activity

Congestive cardiac failure – shortness of breath, fluid retention and a rapid and sometimes bounding pulse

Peripheral neuropathy – loss of sensation and sometimes strength in the hands or lower limbs

Wernicke’s Encephalopathy – ataxia (unsteadiness), impaired consciousness and problems of eye movement

Korsakoff’s Psychosis – loss of memory for both new (anterograde) and past (retrograde) events together with confabulation, making up a version of events to cover for the loss of memory

Other features – hypothermia, hypotension (low blood pressure) and autonomic neuropathy

 

B12 - 

Signs of deficency are nervous system damage, memory loss, confusion, dementia and abnormal blood cell production

Here's more info on B12 deficency symptoms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency

 

Vitamin D -

Signs of deficency are bone/muscle pain, weakness, softening of bone.

 

A long lasting or severe deficency in any of these could easily cause permanant damage and they only come from animals. Did you know that a deficency in B12 and B1 can impair a person intellectuallly? 

 

Veganism and vegetarianism are unhealthy/unnatural lifestyles for human beings and because of that they require supplements to live like that. Vegans or vegetarians can prattle on all they want about how healthy their diet is but it's a complete utter lie. If someone wants to live either of those lifestyles, by all means have at it but don't try to spread misinformation about it to mislead people into thinking it's a healthy or a better lifestyle compared to living as a omnivore.