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vivster said:
sc94597 said:

Catalonian independence is a much older thing than the current wave of populism. The pro-independence Catalonians would probably like to be part of the EU as an independent state if it were possible. 

They are part of the EU right now. What is their fucking problem?

Ignorance and nationalism is the problem they have. They fundamentally don't understand the world as it is in the 21st century.

To make a long story short: The regional government of Catalonia is pretty much lying, brainwashing and fueling the people into believing that they are prisoners lacking freedom if they are part of Spain and that they would be free if the region was independent. From the regional government's point of view it makes sense because independence means they become a fully fledged government with ALL the powers any other country has. So they stand to win a lot in case of independence.

As for the people it's a different story, they would not be any more free in an independent Catalonia than they are as being part of Spain. It's actually the other way around, they would lose freedom as an independent country. First lost freedom is the right to move around in Spain freely as the Spanish citizens that they are now. They'd need a passport to move around. Second lost freedom is the right to freely move around in Europe as they would immediately be outside the EU. Their economy will most certainly suffer a lot as already many big companies are moving out of Catalonia in fear of their independence. And neither Spain nor the EU would want to make it easy for them and as a country outside the EU, the EU or Spain have NO obligation to care for Catalunia or make it easy in any way for them or help them.

So yeah, if isolation is what those ignorant separatists call "freedom" then yeah, they'll be very free outside of Spain.

Luckily for all the Catalans who whish to stay in Spain and the EU, I don't see how Catalonia could actually become independent. Spain won't allow the country to be broken up by ignorance... hopefully.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 28 October 2017