UK Sales Chart, Week Ending 21-Oct-2017, Gran Turismo Tops (~80K)

[DonFerrari]

Teeqoz said:

DonFerrari said:

Still don't get where you got the FM5 part from. You were the first to mention it. But for what it's worth, the PS4 is way more successful than the PS3, while the XBO is less successful than the Xbox 360. So of course I'd expect the PS4 installments of GT to sell more than the PS3 installments, and the XBO installments of Forza to sell less than the 360 installments.

We are talking UK here right? The X1 in UK isn't doing much worse than X360. FM5 comes from your assumption that just being a new first installment on a platform that is doing good put it at higher sales.

As for the second point, first of all, GT6 hasn't sold 6 million, it has sold a bit more than 5 (5.17 million). And that is of course a high number, but.... GT5 sold 11.95 million. So GT6 was down over 56% from GT5. Now, for GT6, I can see good explanations (ie. launching at the same time as the PS4), but for GT Sport to sell as little - on the PS4 no less? That isn't good regardless of how you put it.

I haven't said GTS selling 6M is good considering other GTs, you said it is a bomb, is it a bomb?

Okay so you admit that GT Sport is lacking in content compared to its competitors, but you think it's justified because it's the first GT on PS4. But once again, GT Sport isn't arriving at the same time as FM5, it's arriving 4 years later. 

Nope, I agree it focused in a different direction and so if you are locking at content where they didn't put their focus there is less, just that. I didn't said I think it's justifiable because it's the first, I explained the other guy reasoning. But sure being the first game all content is new and the competitors that are on 2nd and 3rd iteraction of a genre that adds up will have an easier time putting more into it.

I will do the same questioning I done to azzanation. Where are your posts criticizing FM5 to release with little content compared to GT6 that launched close to it.

But if you really don't think Sony can and should to better, more power to you. I disagree though.

I didn't said SONY (even more because it's PD) shoudln't or couldn't do better. You are reading a lot of not speaked things on this discussion but shifting your own goals.

Errorist76 said:

Teeqoz said:

This game released in 2017. It should be compared to it's contemporary releases, not games that released almost a decade or more ago (FM3 released in 2009, GT3 released in 2001). FM7 is miles ahead in terms of content, despite having a shorter dev cycle.

It does have a substantial online mode though. So substantial that they saw it fit to make almost the whole game rely on being online. And with no proper campaign.

I'm sure the gameplay is the best it has been, but that doesn't automatically make it the best game. Not in my eyes at least. I think PD/Sony can and should do better, and I hope this spurs them to do so.

Shorter development cycle?! Now you gotta be kidding me.

Forza 7 is just an updated Forza 6 with all payed DLCs which just was an updated Forza 5 with all payed DLCs...Which started development after Forza 4. Like 6 years ago.

pCARS 2 is an updated PCARS which started development like what, 7 years ago?!

Polyphony deliberately scrapped all the old shit and started again from 0.

Why are people behaving so unreasonably?! Especially since the attention to detail in GTS is clearly above the competition.

if you don’t believe it, just watch Digital Foundry’s take on it.

Also don't forget to put that they decided to make the engine overblowed with models that doesn't run on PS4Pro, colors that doesn't show on HDR10 and other megalomaniac Kazunorisms.

Also I need to point out that PD last official headcount was around 140 people (and now they have decided to even do the art and marketing internally) while Turn 10 have been seem to have over 300 employees. And considering the amount of games released I have little reason to suspect Turn 10 have something between 2-3x more people in the team.

Teeqoz said:

Errorist76 said:

Shorter development cycle?! Now you gotta be kidding me.

Forza 7 is just an updated Forza 6 with all payed DLCs which just was an updated Forza 5 with all payed DLCs...Which started development after Forza 4. Like 6 years ago.

pCARS 2 is an updated PCARS which started development like what, 7 years ago?!

 

Polyphony deliberately scrapped all the old shit and started again from 0.

Why are people behaving so unreasonably?!

What is it with people mentioning games I never did? Where did Project Cars come from?

Forza 7 released two years after Forza 6, ie. a two year dev cycle. Of course they reuse assets but you might as well say Uncharted 4 had a 10 year dev cycle because it's on the same engine as Uncharted 1....

From the questioning of competitors having more games. He reasoned why FM and PC have more.

FM7 launched 2 years after, but it isn't reussing as in UC4, it's as in keep all old content and add some and call it a new game.

As far as I know UC4 doesn't use the same engine as UC1 (one of the reasons it took longer to dev) and even if it used, the history, models, textures, almost everything is different from all previous UCs.