Trump's tax proposal: raise taxes on the poor, give to the rich

[Final-Fan]

LurkerJ said:

Final-Fan said:

(1) There is literally no tax in the United States designed such that a person should, upon making MORE money, be left with LESS money after taxes than if they had done nothing.  I won't say it's completely impossible, with the crazy, massive patchwork of tax breaks, credits, incentives, penalties, etc., but if it happens it directly contradicts the designed function of our tax code.  Agree/disagree—if disagree, evidence please.  If agree, I trust you will not ever bring this point up again. 

(2) Do you really intend to say that ALL taxation is theft?  Because that is literally what you're saying.  (If it's not mandatory/compulsory, it's not taxation but rather donation.) 

2.5  If taxation is not inherently theft, and assuming that SOME taxes must be collected, do you think that the taxes should be designed to inflict the least palpable harm?  Or should the taxes be spread more equally across the population, even if it means taking money from people who will, as a result, starve, be unable to afford medical care, lose their jobs, lose their small businesses, etc.?  Or do you favor a third option (other than "do less harm to people" and "tax more equally")? 

(2) I was specifically talking about estate tax and inheritance tax. The deceased had already paid their share of fair taxes, why do you feel entitled to take more of his/her money? because you think they have too much of it? What is too much money anyway? Who gets to decide? 

One can simply argue that 100k dollars is too much money to be passed to your kids without giving some of it to the government, because 100k dollars can be considered too much money. Hell, even 100 can be too much.

You didn't answer point (1). 

(2) If taxation in general is not necessarily theft, why is an estate tax necessarily theft? 

If you are against the estate tax because of the fact that its collected revenue overlaps with wealth already diminished by income taxes over the person's lifetime, are you eqully vehemently opposed to sales taxes collected from money you already are paying income taxes on?  (Or vice versa) 

"Who gets to decide?"  Well, I believe that taxes in the United States are mostly set by legislature, and although our legislative bodies are not ideal they are at least vaguely accountable to the people via elections.  The nitty gritty of collection and the accompanying judgment calls are delegated to agencies like the IRS.  Do you really not know this information? 

I'm not sure I understand what the point of your final argument is.  Is it supposed to be a slippery slope thing?  If so, it's ridiculously weak.

2.5  You also didn't answer this.  I guess you don't have to, but I was really curious what your answer would have been.