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Aeolus451 on 23 October 2017
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monocle_layton said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"Feminism itself simply means equal rights for men and women. "

 

yes which is why i asked you to list rights that men have that women do not have

 

"Do you think women shouldn't be treated like garbage? "

 

who outside of a very very small amount of people seriously believe women should be treated like garbage?

i mean just stating something like that show you are not thinking rationally

 

"I think women always deserve to be given the same chances as me"

 

what chances are you reffering to?

 

"The original belief of feminism will always be the idea that both sexes should experience equality"

 

well i'll repeat that the idea that men and women can experience equality of outcomes in a free society is one of the most retarded ideas i've ever been exposed to

Equity, not equality. A women who's pregnant shouldn't be expected to work 70 hours just because I could. At the same time, a man taking care of 2 kids shouldn't be expected to work 65 hours because a single woman can.

 

You constantly keep going in a circle and saying 'well what inequalities'. That was never my fucking argument. You clearly stated you personally don't treat women like garbage and think they're clearly treated well. How does that negate feminism?

 

A movement is not supposed to constantly be changing for better or worse. If things seem fine, then there's nothing wrong with standing still for a short or permanent amount of time. How complicated is that? 

 

I'm thinking rationally, and instead of constantly going on about how I'm 'irrational', maybe you should stop repeating the same argument.

Hmm. I guess I'll pipe in for a bit on Feminism. Feminism is a social movement and it's original goal was for equality for women. Because it's a movement and not a definition for "belief in women's equality" or "belief in equality of the sexes", it changes over time just like how any other movement changed over time because the people that organized them changed out or goals were accomplished, etc. There's a lot of literature about feminism being a movement and how it changed over the years hence the 1st wave feminism, 2nd wave feminism, etc.

I believe that feminism is purely a movement and that as a movement it can deviate from or hurt the overall goal of the movement (I believe that it did). I think that's what alot of "anti-feminists" or regular people are basically saying in their criticisms about feminism of today.

I believe in actual equality as in everyone having a equal or near equal chance at something regardless of their race, creed, sexuality or sex except in certain cases. I don't believe in giving a woman a job because she's a woman (except for certain jobs) or because there's not enough women in some given job. The only thing they're entitled to is an equal shot for a position as anyone else. That's what equality is. I believe that alot of the leaders or voices of feminism of today aren't interested in my sort of equality because it would take away any advantages they have at being a woman while correcting anything on the flip side of it. I agree that people get hung up on the terminology of it all and it turning into a shitshow without getting to the meat of it.