Forza Motorsport 7 brings the future

[Azzanation]

DonFerrari said:

NATO said:

A problem with the laser scanning thing is, no matter how accurately they scan the track, that data has to be massively paired back and simplified in order to keep the overall geometry as low as possible, which involves flattening a lot of it and keeping only key features such as elevation, angle and pitch, while they do also scan the paint, it's used only for getting the markings right, they don't actually do friction testing on each portion of track and paint, and laser measurements, even if done perfectly and not simplified at all, would only give you the surface data, not the friction data, and the friction data is something that gives a track it's soul, because it evolves with the track and it's use.

Indeed the surface of the track also evolves with it, as heavy use means sections need to be resurfaced and that resurfacing causes large patches of frictional change.

There isn't a process, yet, that can accurately replicate a track down to even a checkerboarding of friction zones.

For a real track, in a real car, approaching it professionally, every single method of input gets processed fluidly, vibration and tension of the wheel, note of the engine, jerkiness of gear shifts, feedback from the track through the accelerator, feedback from the brake pads, rotors and calipers through the brake pedal, a near sixth sense of the grippiness of all four wheels, all data from gauges and clusters, even the sound of the chassis popping and clicking, right down to the whine of the transmission as you pull through the gears, it's visceral and raw, something no racing sim has come close to replicating, and no wheel manufacturer has yet bothered to do any sort of feedback in the gear shifter or pedals, theyre just dead and everything depends entirely on judder in the steering.

Yep, let's say it is simply too much information to have a very precise 3D model of the track surface in each detail. But grip mapping they do something a little more generic with the paint and the shoulders, dry and wet, but it is possibly generic without considering how it varies through the track.

Also I don't remember they making much difference between the dirty side, clean and rubbered of the track.

On the sixth sense, Senna was famous for basically seeming to extract more grip than existed in the track, doing impossible corner at high speed.

Azzanation said:

Are we talking about Pit Stops vs Content or quality of simulation? I can safetly say FM7 is very good in the quality of simulation catagory. And its a very polished racer with unriviled content this gen so far. If you rather have 1/4 of the car list, no Dymanic Weather or days and nights for an aminated pit crew, go for it. GTS is perfect for you.

Yes i am not a fan of Sim racers. I am here in this thread because i find it rather immunising and a nice jab at a good game.

Errr a simulation game is just as good as it simulation is, and if you don't like or value the simulation than your analysis is pretty much useless.

I rather hear from NATO than from someone that likes arcade racing that will complain about lack of sense of speed or other things that are more on the unreal side.

Thats your choice. I couldnt care less. 

The point you changed the topic from Forza has no Pit Crews to Qaulity of Simulation is very interesting. So all i am saying which is related to this Topic is that if you and Nato prefer Pit Crews as a must have over the bulk of the Content Forza has than thats your opinions and go for it.