mZuzek said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I don't know ... I wouldn't really describe Luke as "OP". In fact I'd say the opposite. Sure, there was the occasional break(I think the best example is how he can bullshit his way to destroy a death star despite not being an extremely experienced space pilot). But the films focused ... SO GOD DAMN MUCH on Luke training and being under-powered, that the occasional break in power was ok. In fact, I didn't even realize that look was OP at the end of the first movie until someone pointed it out, and even then you could argue it was just luck on his part. That's how much the original trilogy was dedicated to making Luke, if anything, underpowered. It helps that Mark Hamill's acting makes Luke bitchy and whiny, even when Luke got hit in the fucking side with a box he looks like he's about to faint during the last fight on empire XD
Anakin being overpowered was the driving force of the prequels. Rey being overpowered .... ugh. I just can't justify it. Even the "she uses a staff!" idea never sat right with me. Weilding a staff is way different then a lightsaber. Ironically, if she was using a dual sided lighstaber i could believe it a tad more ... but then she'd be too powerful!
I would love that too, man! XD I feel like i'd love Kylo so much more if he was good! I kind of have a love/hate relationship with his character
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Agreed. Luke wasn't OP at all - he had one BS moment in destroying the Death Star, but other than that he was a perfectly fine and flawed character.
Rey isn't just OP at fighting or piloting or whatever, she's also OP at using any kind of mechanism (from ships she's never piloted to some weird doors on the station from that one scene no one cared about), climbing, using the force without any training, and even languages for crying out loud... and, you know what? All of that would be fine if she was flawed as person, like how Anakin was for example (as bad as the writing and acting was) - but no, she's also perfect in that regard. They tried to give her a "flaw" in that she still believed her family would return, but that was as big a flaw as, I don't know, anything in GotG Vol. 2. As it is though, she's just a boring protagonist, complemented by boring supporting characters (stereotypical black character and Male Rey, who just so happen to be best friends ever at first glance).
Edit: if anything, the only new trilogy character I was interested in was Kylo Ren. I can only hope he develops well over the movies.
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Hey, at least we agree on something!
StarOcean said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I don't know ... I wouldn't really describe Luke as "OP". In fact I'd say the opposite. Sure, there was the occasional break(I think the best example is how he can bullshit his way to destroy a death star despite not being an extremely experienced space pilot). But the films focused ... SO GOD DAMN MUCH on Luke training and being under-powered, that the occasional break in power was ok. In fact, I didn't even realize that look was OP at the end of the first movie until someone pointed it out, and even then you could argue it was just luck on his part. That's how much the original trilogy was dedicated to making Luke, if anything, underpowered. It helps that Mark Hamill's acting makes Luke bitchy and whiny, even when Luke got hit in the fucking side with a box he looks like he's about to faint during the last fight on empire XD
Anakin being overpowered was the driving force of the prequels. Rey being overpowered .... ugh. I just can't justify it. Even the "she uses a staff!" idea never sat right with me. Weilding a staff is way different then a lightsaber. Ironically, if she was using a dual sided lighstaber i could believe it a tad more ... but then she'd be too powerful!
Still, maybe she's just overpowered because Disney wants their main character to be. And not to be a "mary sue".
I would love that too, man! XD I feel like i'd love Kylo so much more if he was good! I kind of have a love/hate relationship with his character
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We'll see how Disney justifies it going forward. As for Luke, as far as we can tell -in the first movie he was only trained on the Falcon for a short time (idk how long, time and SW is a really weird thing). In ESB and ROTJ, Luke is justified. But idk about the first film. It makes sense due to him being Anakins son. But man, I really want Rey to be Obi-Wans daughter.
It may end up being she's OP cause Disney wants an OP character in the same way Sonic fan OCs have god powers cause... why the fuck not?! XD hope not. But if it is, then yes. I'll concede she's a Mary Sue. If she turns out being Obi-Wans daughter, I'mma say: FUCK ALL OF YOU, I WAS RIGHT!
Same. He's not intimidating like Vader. Hell, Rey's more intimidating than him XD which is also why I think itd be cooler to have her be the villain
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Like I said, names don't matter as much as the fundamental. As long as Rey is overpowered, she will remain boring. I hope they fix it in 8(but it doesn't look like it)!
I agree! Part of me actually thinks Disney might make both rey and kylo good together! I even thought Kylo might turn good in 8 ... but idk .. that seems too creative. They might go with the "Kylo goes good in the third" trope. What if Kylo is actually convincing Rey to join him for GOOD forces : 0 but yeah, not gonna happen.
I actually hope you're right! Rey being obi-wan's daughter, kylo turning good and rey bad ... all very interesting!
