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Snoorlax on 05 October 2017
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MTZehvor said:
Snoorlax said:

Interesting, so both series are canon so the fans can stop bitching though i'm sure they're going to retcon sooner or later.

The lore? yes, the story? only if it's very minimal like in Prime 1 and 2. If it's a forced weak story like Prime 3 then no, in fact, this is one of the main critiques Prime 3 got weak story, uninteresting characters and linear gameplay.

Are you even serious..? Zelda is the number one Nintendo game that got unlimited discussions about it's plot, it's characters, the different worlds, confusing timelines, weapons analisis you name it. Reddit? i dare say the whole net is filled with Zelda discussions about ANYTHING Zelda including on this site. And while Mario stories don't get taken too seriously i think Mario RPG, Paper Mario and Galaxy garnered more than enough plot related discussions than the entire Metroid series...

Prime 3 is not misunderstood it was well received by both fans and critics despite it's shortcomings and it's considered to be the last good Metroid game after 2007. The game does want you to care about these Hunters and story, that's why the cutscenes are unskippable and contstantly reminding you that the Hunters and the General are aiding Samus on this mission, later you're supposed to kill them and feel sorry for them, at least that's what they tried to do when that ice Hunter (forgot the name) was killed. 

What makes the Hunters so special using Phazon when litteraly EVERY enemy in the game gets infected with Phazon? Oh, and how do you kill them? By shooting them with overpowered unlimited Phazon beam, another weak detail of the game.

Finally, yah... Metroid Fusion is the Majora's Mask of Metroid. The sequel to one of the best games of all time that was expected to be the same game but expanded and improved upon instead came out to be totally different than what everybody was expecting and for being different it was met with dissapointment. While it got great critic reviews fans didn't consider the game to be a worthy successor especially not with the release of Prime which turned out to be a masterpiece and surprised everybody. It wasn't until YEARS after that Fusion got appreciated and the respect that it deserves.

To the Zelda/Mario story point, I'll put it to you this way. As of the time of this post's creation, out of the 25 posts on the front page of r/Zelda, only two are even remotely related to the series' story. And one is simply asking if the encylopedia is considered canon. On the Super Mario reddit, that number drops to 0. And these aren't one off occurrances; story discussions rarely reach the front page. Whether that's because not enough people create topics to have that happen, or they're just not popular enough, I can't say, but your claim about story discussion popularity doesn't seem to hold up under examination.

As for the hunters, again, I'll disagree. If Retro really wanted you to feel anything for them (besides possibly Rundas, I'll grant that), they'd actually give them more than 5 minutes of screen time. I think arguing that Retro really meant for the player to get attached to Admiral Dane, Ghor, or Gandrayda, with such minimal screen time, is kind of an insult to the company. As for what makes the Hunters specifically important in that regard compared to every other enemy being infected, it has to do with the power level of the enemy. We've already seen plenty of less powerful enemies be corrupted by Phazon throughout the previous two Prime games; showing even more random Space Pirates or wildlife get corrupted wouldn't be particularly meaningful. Establishing some other bounty hunters to be at least close to Samus' power level, and then showing them get messed up as well, is a far more effective way to communicate to the player that Phazon is something to worry about.

Lastly...Fusion is nowhere near the Majora's Mask of Metroid. The game has a 9.1 average user rating on Metacritic, for the love of biscuit. This game isn't some critic darling, fanbase disliked title like Skyward Sword. Sure, there's a portion of the fanbase that feels Fusion was subpar, but the same is true for any departure of any sort in the Metroid series; including Prime 3 and Samus Returns. Fusion has always been reasonably well liked, and it hasn't seen any sort of dramatic increase in popularity due to Other M.

Oh PLEASE, reddit is not the go to page for game discussions you know or were you born yesterday? blogs, fansites, Zelda communities, youtube, gamefaqs, gamespot, ign hell even before the internet was a thing there have been Zelda discussions about it's plot and i said specifically there are unlimited Zelda discussions about ANYTHING Zelda on the whole net including this site. I can go on and on but if you seriously believe that Metroid is even remotely as discussed or as popular as Zelda or Mario than you're just delusional. I love Metroid but even i don't go that far.

As for your last two arguments we can go on and on discussing but the topic at hand was about Metroid 5's narrative which were no longer talking about so i'll just leave it at that.