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Zoombael said:
Ok. I just watched the first 5 minutes of The Orville Season 1 Ep.2. I couldn't watch any further, because it was unbearable. Badly written jokes dragged out to make sure the audience gets there is supposedly a very funny thing happening on screen.

And the new ST series is even worse? I can't imagine how.

Orville is cringe worthy when it's trying to be funny - and mostly pretty average to bad cast doesn't help at all. But it's actually trying to be Gene's Trek, and with each episode it's starting to feel more and more like TNG - a fanmade TNG, but in absence of proper old Trek, it's bearable.

STD on the other hand has almost nothing to do with Gene's Trek, it's televised Jar Jar's crap, pretending to be prime timeline Trek - all that lead by pretty bad actress.

If they made it as new IP, it would still be fairly average show, but at least it wouldn't be pissing on legacy of Gene's Trek.