SvennoJ said:
Ariakon said:
I actually kind of like both the shows. The Orville is pure fan-made original Star Trek, but that's a niche that someone needs to fill at the moment. I think Seth Mcfarlane isn't particularly convincing as the captain, but I do like some of the characters (especially the security officer) and still enjoy it more than most shows on TV (damning with faint praise, I know).
I only watched one episode of Discovery so I can't judge it as a series, but it seemed interesting. I didn't particularly like the main character and found her overly abrasive (though I'm a big fan of Michelle Yeoh, so anyone pushing her around naturally arouses my irritation) yet I found the direction they were pushing the Klingons in fairly interesting, though I do hope the writers grant them more depth than simply being terroristic warmongers. The Klingons are warlike, yes, but their culture grew fairly deep during TNG. I do find there is too much lens flare, but I enjoyed the Abrams Star Treks and don't mind the flashy cinematography.
I think both shows could definitely improve, but I'd like to see both get the opportunity to grow.
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It's actually the federation that behaved as terrorists. The Klingons were protecting their sacred burial ground. They didn't even finish the Discovery off, left it drifting disabled so they could be rescued. Meanwhile the discovery put an IED on one of the dead the Klingons were retrieving to kill everyone on board.
I hope the writers grant the federation more depth than simply being expansionistic warmongers :p
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True, I just felt that the show wanted our sympathy to lie with the main character moreso than the Klingons, though I would need to watch more episodes to tell if that was their true intention or if they are trying to build up an "a-ha!" moment where we see that Michelle Yeoh's captain was correct to attempt diplomacy rather than recklessly killing a bunch of Klingons in order to gain their "respect."
