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AngryLittleAlchemist on 22 September 2017
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outlawauron said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Getting almost 1 million physical sales on a console in Japan is definitely tier 1. It's just that the tier goes from 1 mil to around 1.5. Splatoon is a rare game that might even go past that though. 

I'll admit that immediately after writing that I checked again and realized I was wrong. However, I had a nap to get to Still, I don't think the snarkyness was really necessary. 

Infact, it only takes a quick glance to realize why this is misleading and also why it's a terrible argument. Monster Hunter Freedom 3 did NOT have a successor, or an updated version. It was the last MH released for the PSP. Taking a quick look at the sales of the Monster Hunter series makes it quite obvious what the truth is.

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The series hasn't declined in popularity, the games sales are just split up between rereleases. It's like considering GOTY editions as different sales. Like look at Monster Hunter Portable 3rd, it had no rerelease or sequel. Monster Hunter 4 on the other hand sold 6.7 million copies in just japan alone. Monster Hunter X sold 5.9 million. I mean a port of a Wii game sold more then half an entire generation of Monster Hunter games on PSP ... 

The series isn't "less popular", it's just that the 3DS entries have multiple iterations, and the new games have been handled terribly. Generations on Switch will probably sell 600k lifetime, but that's not a sign of a less popular franchise it's a sign of literally selling the same game 3 times. Monster Hunter World will probably sell 1 million on consoles in Japan, that's not a sign of wanning popularity it's a sign of making a game for a different audience. 

Even if Portable the 3rd was the best selling though(it isn't), going down from a peak moment in a series isn't losing popularity it's having stability. Every series at some points has a peak it won't reach again. That doesn't mean it's less popular it means the stars aligned on one title. In fact the series has more consistent average sales per release anyways. 

This is all extremely off track but I just think that comment had so many holes in it it bared mentioning. In the end of the day FF is an A tier series in Japan at least on home consoles, it might change in the next 6 or so years but it is still an A tier series now. I don't think FF15 is the most important support for the switch though, and ultimately all we can do is wait and specualte I think KH3 and FF7 Remake are more important to be frank.

For the "tier" conversation, we just have very different parameters for a top tier series. The style of game has  

They are separate games, separate SKUs. You don't get to combine them together to invent a way to say that MH hasn't declined in popularity. Not to mention that MHP3rd was given an HD port on PS3 that did over 500k, but that doesn't really matter. It doesn't get combined and Monster Hunter Freedom 2 and Monster Hunter Freedom 2G (Unite) doesn't get combined. Every single entry in the series has seen a port, re-release, or expansion. The 3DS has no more re-releases than any other platform.

If we can't agree on this, then not much can be gained from going forward lol.

See thats the slippery slope. We dont know how much people skipped 4 for 4u. we dont know how much are repeated buyers.What we do know is that MH sales were way more consistent on the 3ds, a wii port sold more than half a generation of original psp titles, MH3U on Wii U sold 600k on a platform that sold way worse than ps3, and that if we compared Freedom 2 + Freedom 2G to Mh4 and 4u or even mhx and xx .. it would lose. It would only take 800k original buyers out of 2.6 mil to match 3rd portable.

 

Im sorry, you are just objectively wrong. From here on  out? Maybe it loses popularity. Not during the 3ds days though. On FF ... I meant tier 1 for consoles. Tier 1 for the entire japanese game industry? Nah... I should have made that distinction sooner