Rate the Nintendo Direct 17/09/13

[Miyamotoo]

DélioPT said:

Miyamotoo said:

Again, clear fact is that Wolfenstein 2 announcement is announcement of new game, not announcement of port/remaster of some old game, fact that will come later to Switch doesnt change that fact.

Actual history tells us that only console that started strong and failed is Sega Dreamcast, but that much more has with that how Sega didn't had any money to continue supporting Dreamcast than anything else. Switch actually started stronger than Dreamcast and we know that Nintendo is full of money. If Switch has great 1st year, there are very high chances that will have strong other years, because Switch with every new game is becoming more and more attractive platform, also again, it's much easier to continue momentum than need to save platform. And Switch is becoming only platform that Nintendo will suport, so you dont have any reason to suspect they will drop Switch succes. We actualy seeing that contine great sales of Switch and raising of Switch instal base direclty means better 3rd party support, how time is passing we will have more and more 3rd party support, and definitely much more 3rd party anancument for next year then we had this, because plenty of 3rd party with Switchafter Wii U taked "wait and see aprouch".

Those game will sell OK because they have extra value and offer full handheld mode compared to PS4/XB1/PC version of games, and thats why for instance Bethesda is relasing Skyrim, Doom and Wolfenstein 2.

Again, it can only be strange if you totally ignoring what Nintendo is doing in recent times and espacily with Switch, where they are focusing on games that will be out soon.

"fact that will come later to Switch doesnt change that fact." In terms of sales it doesn't change the big picture. Why? Because most of it's sales will be done on the available versins.
When the Switch version arrives, it won't matter if it was announced after or before the game came out. What will matters is: who else is there that hasn't got the game? This is the problem with getting a late port.

You could also use the PS3's start to show that being 3rd at the beggining of your lifecycle, doesn't mean you'll be stuck there.
Or, from another point of view. XB360 was for most of it's lifetime, ahead of the PS3, yet, it lost that position.
So, i say that, it doesn't really matter how you start. What matters is how you keep momentum or even increase it.
"And Switch is becoming only platform that Nintendo will suport, so you dont have any reason to suspect they will drop Switch succes."
First, you are assuming that there's no 3DS successor in the works, as of now, or that they won't start developing games for it in 2018, for example.

Second, assuming that they will only Switch to support in the coming years... there's two things that need to be said about it: a) it's not just a matter of quantity. You also need to create/bring system sellers, otherwise you risk increasing your userbase by a little (mostly giving your current users what to buy, instead of strongly creating more consumers);  b) rumor has it that Nintendo is now focusing more on big games. Which could lead to not so many games, as we both expect.

"raising of Switch instal base direclty means better 3rd party support"
Wii did that. Did it get better 3rd party support? No.
What will count is who Switch's userbase is: is it your old Nintendo fans who don't really care about 3rd party games or is it being made of Sony and MS owners  - who are willing to buy an "inferior" version for the sake of portability.
Only time will tell and that is why i said Switch's biggest tests are still to come.

Even if they have extra value (Fifa 18 is actually missing content, btw) and offer portability, not everyone is willing to rebuy the game or buy it on Switch instead of PS4/XB1, just because it's portable. It's adds a great value to the Switch version, but...

You're still not getting Miyamotoo.
Revealing your January, February and March games first - than those coming in Spring - in no way invalidates Nintendo's way of announcing games for the short term or long term.
It's about them revealing, for example, a March/April game, and not a January or February game.
In other words, it's the order of announcements for the short term period that i found strange.

I meant fact that's announcement of new game in any case. Again, full handheld mode for 3rd party ports gave to those game hole new dimension, some people would easily do double dip or even wait Switch version in order to play those game in full handheld mode. We already saw here some people that wrote that wanted PS4 version of Wolfenstein 2 but they will wait for Switch version. For instance you already have people that have Skyrim on PS4 or even PS3, but again some of those people will buy that game on Switch, because they will have game they will able to play everywhere they want. You will mainle have two dirent type of people that will buy multiplatform games on Switch, people who want to play those game on the go in full handheld mode and people who don't have other platforms to play those games.

Totaly difrent things, PS3 had slow start becuse very high price, after price cuts PS3 started selling. Xbox360 lost postion beacuse MS slowed down with support while Sony actualy gave huge suport to PS3 basicly until PS4 didnt arived. You could say something similar for Wii, when Nintendo slowed down and stoped suporting Wii, Wii stoped to sell. But all those cases are difrent from what we are saying, offcourse that Nintendo will not stop suporting Switch in 2018. But again, those totally different things, it's much easier to keep momentum than try to save platform. Again, you dont have any reason to suspect that Switch will lose momentum in 2018.There is zero sense to release 3DS successor that will be part of different platform from Switch, Nintendo basically unified their handheld and home platforms with Switch, we could have 3DS succsor in form Switch Mini/Pocket, but that means same games.

Of Course that Nintendo will have smaller and bigger games and system seller games like always, but this time it will be bigger number of games all together, Nintendo always have those game I dont see why you assume it will be difrent with Switch, Switch could just lead to biger number of relases.

But Wii had quite solid 3rd party support (it had dosens of Fifa, NBA, NFS, NHL, CoD...games), and offcourse that it wouldnt had so many of those game sif it didnt sell well. But if compare Wii and Switch, whats exalty is different if talk about 3rd party ports!? Fact that Switch is much closer to power to curent console than Wii ever was, fact that Switch support all modern tech and engines that modern games are using and that of course wasn't case with Wii, so porting current next games to Switch is much easier compared to Wii and PS3/Xbox360 games, that why we alredy have ananucments of games like Skyrim or Doom. And devs alone see that Swich gave totaly new dimension to their games compared to PS4/XB1 version of game. And like I wrote, after Wii U faile many 3rd partys taked "wait and see aprouch" with Switch, and how Switch conitinue to sell good and instal base is getiing bigger we will have more and more ananucments, definatly next year we will have much more ananucments. And I alredy wrote you who will buy those games, "You will mainle have two dirent type of people that will buy multiplatform games on Switch, people who want to play those game on the go in full handheld mode and people who don't have other platforms to play those games".

Of Course that everyone will not buy (lol), but full handheld mode for those games is game changer for some people.

No you still don't get it, Nintendo wanted to show 2D Kirby game and they show it, they still dont want to show other Q1 games. Nothing strange about that, they done similar things all time with Switch.

 

Again, you are trying very hard, but you don't have any reasons for such doubts or concerns.