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Soundwave on 07 September 2017
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iron_megalith said:
Soundwave said:

A catch basin is at least something, no one else did anything. These kids will be legalized as Republicans likely do not want to be destroyed in the next 4-5 elections (why hello there Florida) and even a majority of Trump supporters want to see DACA kids stay. 

You do not do a half assed measure and say hey I did something. He had two terms to push and address such issues and yet he didn't go all out.

But then again I understand the hindrances from other sides but still doesn't make it inexcusable that he is talking trash about the administration's approach regarding this matter.

 

GhaudePhaede010 said:

The problem with this post, aside from blaming Obama senselessly, is that it does not directly address my point. My point is probably avoided because it is difficult to address directly. However, no greater solution will come by talking about the previous president and laws that not only are not relevant today, but really did not help or hinder immigration when they were applied.

Since I am from California, I know first hand that a lot of what you just claimed is a lie. However, there is no point in going back and forth because people that want to push the buck and blame unto others recklessly are very difficult to communicate with since they tend to have a lack of focus for the topic at hand.

Jesus Christ. I am lying?

Guess my personal contacts on hospitals and schools were lying about how taken for granted these welfares given. Not to mention acting all damn entitled when some of them are probably paying close to nill.

Also I am not just blaming Obama. Have you read my statement? Or are you too blind to see? What I am saying here is that he has no fucking right to completely point fingers at people.

Anyway this thread like most political threads has devolved into fanaticism again. Obama is a sacred cow and Trump is a complete demonic icon. I would disagree that both aren't simply black and white and both have their ups and downs.

Back to the topic though, nobody here has told me with a straight damn face that there is no problem with the immigration enforcement. Nobody here has told me with a fucking straight face that the pampered treatment some illegal immigrants are getting here are just. Instead we'd just like to keep it at that because they're good for business and not approaching the things through legalities.

If you think that tipping the law for a specific set of people is just then I feel like everything is lost here. I don't even know why I should trust the system nor pay my due taxes. And the replies over here about how they're willing to welcome such injustice makes me say that the 10 years I've spent are complete fucking waste. Thanks for making me regret that we didn't leave with my mother when she left in 2006 and just entered US illegally. Since apparently, nobody gives a fuck if I'm an illegal immigrant and will embrace me with open arms and fight for my rights!

Trump doesn't get the luxury of being "he's just like any other candidate!" thing, sorry you don't when you run that kind of campaign clearly scapegoating certain groups of people for politican. He has made his bed and his image, notice he will always run to the "both sides" line of thinking whenever there is any blow back that can be pinned on him. He and Obama are not the same. 

And if DACA had to be pushed on do-nothing Republicans to finally have them be forced to address the issue (since we know the Democratic position is fairly clear -- legalize those who are already here), then so be it. They never would have allowed Obama to pass common sense immigration reform because of the lunatic fringe in their party that holds everyone else hostage. Most Americans agree these people should be legalized, even plenty on the right. So do it, these are manmade laws not some law of nature like time travel that cannot be bent or something. Legalize them and get on it with it. 

For future immigration that's a seperate issue IMO, Dreamers who are already here shouldn't be held at gunpoint like some bargaining chip. 

The whole thing about "these illegals are living like kings!" is also a load of bullshit. The overwhelming majority of them work their ass off, many toiling in jobs that most regular Americans wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.