Rpruett said:
burninmylight said:
It's very easy to say until you've been put in a position where a routine situation almost leads to you getting shot.
In the Fall of 2009, I was on my way from Tulsa to Oklahoma State in Stillwater with my girlfriend in the passenger seat and one of our friends in the back. We are all minorities. I got pulled over in Mannford for doing about 70 or 75 in a 55 mph thanks to a fucking speed trap that these backwater, podunk towns are known for where the speed limit can drastically drop in the blink of an eye.
So I pull over, I'm reaching for my wallet to get my license, I already have my window rolled down, and the next thing you know, two officers run up to each front window and point pistols right between our eyes and shout out us to put our guns down. I remember imagining my head getting blown off and imagining those two getting riddled with bullets for no fucking reason, and I just froze in place for what seemed like an eternity. My wallet was in my right side pocket and I was using my left hand to reach for it, and when I stopped being shocked enough to actually listen to the officer shouting at me, I told him what I was doing and that we don't have weapons, and that I was scared to move my hand for fear that he would shoot me.
He told me to slowly put my hands on the steering wheel, so I did. The other officer made her put her hands on top of the dashboard and our friend's hands in the air. They made us get out of the car one at a time, they patted us down, and then made us get behind it on our knees with our hands behind our heads, and remain there while they searched the car for guns and drugs, all the while we're staring down the barrell of guns pointed at us the whole time. They radioed for another car to come with a dog to smell for guns and drugs, all the while telling me that if I am hiding any, I better tell them now or suffer the consequences later. I keep telling them that they can search a thousand times and find nothing, and asking them to please stop pointing their guns at my friends. I can't remember why they said no, because all that mattered to me at the moment was that they wouldn't, and all that was running through my head was the image of them and myself getting shot for no fucking reason.
I'm going to spare all of the details because I've already made a giant wall of text, but we were on the side of that road for about an hour and a half, They eventually let us get off of our knees, and eventually stopped pointing guns at us. And they eventually told us their reasoning: they claimed that when I was pulling over to the side of the road, my friend in the back was scurrying to put on his seatbelt, and the silver buckle of the seatbelt looked like it could have been a gun from their point-of-view, so they couldn't take any chances. I could have been Trayvon Martin or Terrance Crutcher, or that guy in Baltimore over a fucking seatbelt. If I would have jumped when my hand was in my pocket, I and two other innocent college kids would have died over a fucking seatbelt. Want to know the irony in that? If you're 12 or older in the Oklahoma, you don't need your seatbelt on in the backseat; it's optional.
So if you've managed to read this far, I hope you can understand why I personally get a bit uneasy around an armed police officer, especially when I get pulled over (and if you want to hear more bullshit reasons for me getting pulled over, let me know. I have more). And I hope you can understand why an officer making such racist jokes isn't funny to someone like myself, no matter the context. I know it's personal and highly anecdotal, but you're delusional if you think this type of thing doesn't happen to people who look like me every single day.
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Yet you simply boil this down to race? I've had the same fucking thing happen. I'm white, very white. Explain that? Please. This isn't a racial issue. Did you ever stop to think that your friend in the backseat WAS scurrying around and looking suspicious? You fidget around where a cop can't see while pulled over? Yep, they have to be defensive for their own safety as well.
The joke the cop made wasn't racist, it was a sarcastic statement to the inane lunacy of the person (Who was white) whom he had pulled over. It wasn't a publicly broadcasted comment (or meant to be), it was pure sarcasm to de-escalate the lunacy of the person he's dealing with.
Stop living your world with some victim complex and start living with your eyes open. Nobody is out to get you.
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Um, excuse me? Where in that post did I say that it happened because of my race? Where did I imply that it wouldn't have happened if I was as white as you are? Literally the only thing I said about race were that we were all minorities and, "you're delusional if you think this type of thing doesn't happen to people who look like me every single day." Yet, you somehow turn that into "This doesn't happen to white people, only us minorities." The whole point was that it becomes a lot easier to understand someone's fear and apprehension of the police once you are put in a position where the very people who are supposed to protect you become the people that you fear may end your life or the lives of your loved ones.
In your desire to prove that nothing could possibly be racist, you just end up sounding a bit insecure and unwilling to admit that not everyone else's experiences in American society are like yours. Is that racist? Not necessarily, but willfill ignorance isn't that much better.
"He told her to put her phone down, and when she said that she was scared to do so, he told her that she's not black, and that the police only kill black people. The police officer is now under investigation."
You're telling me there is nothing racist about that? Dude, you are in such denial that you probably think the Ku Klux Klan were a bunch of guys dressing up as ghosts on Halloween. Others in this thread have already posted statistics on how much more likely blacks are to get arrested than whites, more likely to get harmed and so on, but why waste my time explaining this to you? You probably think black folks should thank your ancestors for slavery because it got our ancestors out of Africa.
" I've had the same fucking thing happen."
So your perception of the police and their agression, use of force and intimidation, and willingness to violate your rights and put your loved ones in harm's way - long after realizing that you and they are not threats - didn't change at all afterward? Didn't even so much as get a little shaky? Sir, I think that says a lot more about your and your blind sense of unquestoning loyalty to authority if the answer if the answer is yes.
EDIT: I was really close to saying that I bet I know who you voted for, but I decided not to. Then I decided to look into your post history and I was reminded you were the guy who posted this:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8534288
Implying that the democratic party's early history as the KKK party has any bearing on today's landscape, among other things. If that's the sort of thing you're going to bring to the table, then yeah, I'd rather not be consorting with someone of your ilk. I don't think I have ever said this in the five or six years I have been a memberof this site, but please leave me alone. I do not want anything to do with you ever again.
