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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 August 2017
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Normchacho said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Didn't go over my head at all. There is no point, especially coming from him. No one on this board bitches and complains about MS first party more than him. We've seen countless posts about how they can't create anything, every IP they have was bought or made by someone else, they can't hang with Nintendo or Sony, they'll never achieve what Sony can do because blah blah, none of their games count as their own because yadda yadda. And that's fine. That's a valid opinion for him to have. But if he, a random forum dweller has it figured out, how is it "spilling the beans" for Papa Phil to say they signed a game deal because they want an Uncharted type game? That's not even getting into the fact that we don't know anything about the games they tried. I'll address your reply piece by piece but then I am bouncing from here as this has turned into another shit on MS thread.

1. Your stuff about PSABR is cool and all, but Sony didn't make that game. They paid a third party dev, just like MS paid for Tomb Raider. The type of deal the person I was responding to repeatedly craps on MS for making. Had MS paid a third party to make a new IP like Uncharted, it wouldn't be "oh wow MS doing something new!" it would be the same type of stuff he's already listed in this thread, basically "lulz third parties". 

2. MS must have seen a potential deal for Tomb Raider and thought it would be a better than anything they could make at the time. TR is a huge franchise. Spencer said they wanted something akin to Uncharted. They got Tomb Raider.

3. The TR deal Sony had was years after the PSone launched and they had plenty of studios. Also you just said yourself MS is in their third gen. They probably have less studios now than Sony did when they signed their Tomb Raider deal. I guess this makes it ok? Clearly Microsoft goes about gaming in a different way than Sony. Personally I'd rather have console companies that are different than them all sharing the same vision and playbook.

What exactly did Papa Phil "spill the beans" on? MS has no one that can do an Uncharted type game as well as ND? Shocker. Microsoft would rather buy games or pay outside companies than invest in their own studios? We know this.

The bold is not correct. PSABR is a Sony IP that was made by a different developer, like the Epic Gears of War games. The ROTR deal was MS paying to keep the game off the PS4 for a year.

That's a weird comparison to try and draw.

Yep. Phil Spencer admitted he could not make or find a game on level with uncharted that was of a quality that could compete with it, so he and MS helped co publish rise of the tomb raider to have an answer for Uncharted. Problem for them was that Sony pushed the date of Uncharted up to the following year to fix some issues.