Tulipanzo said:
Machiavellian said:
I bring up the WiiU and PS3 because corporations no matter how long being in the market can make mistakes. They can guess or decide what the market wants or what the market will bare and fail. The X1 was MS chance to solidify themselves in the market and they made the same mistake. Next gen will be a chance for everyone to do it all over again.
The X1X is not the console you want it to be. It's just a hardware refresh not a new system to the market. It will not or was it ever thought to be the console to change MS position in the market at this time. You can make these predictions when MS bring in their next gen system to market along with Sony. The reason you cannot see things ending up well is because your expectations is off. For some reason you believe MS has to sell the X1X like its a mainstream console buts its not. Its not priced as a mainstream console and it comes to late in this gen to make that kind of impact. Take the console for what it is, a high price Premium system for people who have money, enjoy MS ecosystem and want the system that will play 3rd party and MS games at their best. Thats pretty much it. It will not bring over any Sony fans unless they were already MS fans and was looking for a system to spend their holiday money on.
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Except, you didn't! You brought up the PS3 and WiiU to supposedly shoot me down for saying that full fledged successor sell better than stop gap solutions.
You did this while wilfully ignoring that the PS3 actually beat the 360 in sales.
If you want to make a point, fine, but don't try and change what you said after the fact.
As per your second point: this isn't a discussion about whether or not either of us likes the concept of the xboxx; that is irrelevant.
I've been saying this since the beginning: MS aggressive marketing for the X lead to the sales for the S tanking, meaning they now need the X to pick up the pace. I find that unlikely, due to pricing, lack of titles and them appealing exclusively to their core audience while ignoring everyone else.
These are points you yourself make: it's not a mainstream console, but it needs to be since the S tanked.
My "predictions" they came in direct response to your ramblings about how the X might be in an advantageous position next-gen; a guess, since you provided no data or trends to support it.
The XBox brand is unbelievably unpopular in most countries, and it's laughable to think people would ever opt for it instead of anything from Sony or Nintendo. I don't see how a system that's "not for the mainstream" would ever change that.
What you're trying to do is to retroactively justify MS poor strategy because you happen to like the X.
I suggest you take your poor excuses and take it to a different topic.
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I just told you why I brought them up. Trying to tell me what I was thinking because that is what you thought well is wrong. As for the PS3 beating the 360 in sales, what did Sony have to do to achieve that goal. They had to lose every drop of profits they made from the PS2 era in order to do that. So yes, they may have won the market share but if you have to go into the red to do so, would any company feel that is an achievement. Either way, was the PS3 a success or not. Do you believe killing all you profits for marketshare a success.
Your opinion on the X1X tanking sales on the S is exactly that an opinion. If anything is tanking S sales it's the PS4 being the better console. If the X1X at 500 bones is tanking the S then that would mean the X1X is going to sale pretty damn good which I doubt at this time.
As to your last point, well of course my prediction that the X1X could be a better option when Sony and MS drop their next console is exactly that a prediction. How the heck would I have proof of something that did not occur yet. Never said it was fact and its very clear this is an opinion since it never happen before. Why you seem to be getting riled up over opinions seems strange.
I am not trying to retroactively do anything, it's an opinion. You nor I have any data to back up anything we have argued in this discussion. It's my opinion and pretty much it. If anything, by your comments you believe your opinion is somehow superior when you have nothing to back up your suggestion as well. You seem to hold your opinion as fact or something which is the only way I can see why you are getting an attitude when someone disagree. If it’s a problem someone having a different opinion then yours, I suggest you do not share it if it is going to cause you to get upset.
