Just how much is PS4 beating Xbox One in sales this year?

[DonFerrari]

LudicrousSpeed said:

NawaiNey said:
Minecraft and Rocket league are exemplary successes. Usually on the average game unless it's one of the top selling shooters it's hard to find a game on XB1, that's why MS is always begging Sony to do cross play with them. There's a new article about it almost weekly where one of MS execs can be seen taking part in the act.

And yet, those "exemplary successes" are the only games in the discussion for crossplay. So yeah, you're wrong. My most played game of 2016 and thus far in 2017 is Battleborn, a game well known for its lackluster sales. Yet, I've never had issues finding a game. Titanfall was talked about here as a huge flop. Yet I was always able to find a match. Evolve is another MP focused title that sold poorly. Yet I reached #3 on the world wide leaderboard as Goliath at one point because I never had issues finding games. Hell even Pit People, an early access turn based strategy game, no problems finding games.

What MP games do you play on Xbone?

I find it very hard to believe that even with X1 being estimate at half PS4 userbase that any MP game that have a decent userbase on PS4 wouldn't have one in X1... even if X1 was 1/3 of users on that game unless PS4 version was also ghost town X1 would hardly be a ghost town... Maybe there is one or another game where X1 have so few players that it's hard to find a match, but I really don't think that is anywhere common case.

Slarvax said:

COKTOE said:

There are a few points of contention among your comments to be sure. This one, it makes me have to massage my temples to relieve stress. Do you believe that? That those 2 systems sold well due to the fact they could play pirated games? Because that's what you said, and it's what I just repeated. You know that the Dreamcast had a prolific pirate scene, right? So did the original Xbox. I'll leave it at that and wish you a happy weekend.

On emerging markets, he's right. Talking from first hand experience. I didn't know a single person that didn't have a pirated PS1 or PS2 in Venezuela. It's not a huge number by any means (I would say something like 10% of total sales? Probably less), but he isn't completely wrong.

The thing is in markets like Brazil, Sony didn't officially release PS1 and PS2 (justification piracy culture), so it would be basically impossible to buy a console without chip and buy original games. But all these market together probably doesn't wouldn't even count 10% of PS1/2 userbase... and even if we take 50% of PS1 or PS2 sales they would still be outselling their competitors.

Azzanation said:

NawaiNey said:

Whereever you're from is likely a very tiny market that doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. PS1/PS2 had the highest attach ratios of all time (though PS1 has now been surpassed by PS3, 360, Wii, PS2, and sits at number 5). That doesn't happen when piracy is rampant on a system, look at PSP for that, that's a system that sold a lot because you could pirate games on it which led to low attach rate and therefore publishers abondoning it because their games weren't selling. PS1/PS2 games sold better than anyone had seen games sell on a console, piracy being a problem on them makes as much sense as MS releasing a console a week after a Playstation and expecting to compete.lol

I am not saying piracy makes up for all of PS1 and PS2 sales however it was a boost to them. Many gamers brought them off the fact you can burn your games. Maybe where i am from it doesnt make up the market however guess what everyone got for there Xmas and Bday presents, Chipped PS1s. N64 sold less than half the PS1 yet N64 games had a high attach ratio also and there 1st party games matched and sold more than PS1 games. I have a brought version of FF7 after i got it free and it crashed. Upsetting as it was i went out and got a real copy. Take the Chipped PS1s away from the market and you will see a dent in the hardware sales. PS1 was also cluttered with shovelware and heaps more games so of course its going to sell more software than a console with less than half the install base and with alot less games to choose from. Also PS1 games were alot cheaper to buy. There are alot of aspects to this. I was finding PS1 games for $1 to $5 in Store bins. They were everywhere.

Whats crazy on sales figures is its not an even competition. Its just laughable how serious some people take them as if it means better or a championship trophy. I dont mind a good debate however its not a life and death situation here haha. Different tastes for different gamers.   

Very minimal boost.

It totally make sense that you buy games for $1 but preffer to pirate a game in a age of very slow internet and that recordable CDs/DVDs would cost close to this $1 game.

And you being on VGC your claims should at least make you fell silly.

Most of the sales of any SW comes in the first 2 months at full price. So even with all the promotions and discounts discounted from the attach ratio it would probably reduce not much, would probably still be healthly above N64. And that isn't because of shovelware it's because of the very abundant variety of good SW on the system.