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Kai_Mao on 09 August 2017
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mZuzek said:
Kai_Mao said:

I get that and it's really hard to say which record was broken at times. Nevertheless, the games are successful and most fans appeared to have like these games for what they are. I'm not saying that they're the GOATs or something but it's kinda weird hearing someone say that the series is destroyed by one new generation of games in which it's hard for me to believe. Granted, I personally like Pokémon Sun for some of its change-ups from the usual formula so maybe that's what's making me disagree, but even then I don't usually hear people completely bad mouth the generation like that. Though it's his opinion so more power to him.

That's what an opinion is for. I for one know more than a few people who were left with a bad taste in their mouth after playing Sun & Moon.

The thing is, Sun & Moon were an actual, real step forward for the franchise, mostly in every way. It's just, it feels like Game Freak was hellbent on making steps forward without even looking at where they were going - so while sometimes they were stepping into beautiful flower fields with stuff like getting rid of HMs, Ride Pokémon (which still have a lot of room for improvement, but it's something), no more chibi artstyle, trainers appearing in-battle, among other things; they also sometimes stepped on horse crap, with dumb bullshit like Z-moves, Ash-Greninja, Alola forms, Ultra Beasts and getting rid (in a way) of Mega Evolutions.

In the end, I think those games were far from terrible, actually on their own they were pretty alright - the problem with Pokémon is that no game is ever "on its own". If this was, say, Zelda having a new game introduce some ideas I hate, I wouldn't bother as much because I know those are most likely exclusive to that one game, but with Pokémon you know every single thing that gets introduced is going to continue existing forever, so any bad ideas that go through are permanent damage (no, I'm not happy about shit like Blonde Dugtrio and Bewear being around forever).

That's why I can't get my hopes up for new games. Not only am I scared that they will introduce even more shitty ideas (because that's all Ohmori has ever done), but I already know that all the shitty ideas that were already introduced before will still exist.

Then I guess we'll agree to disagree on this and I have no problem with that. Personally the Z-moves are pretty cool and at least it's only once per battle so it's not abused. Alolan Pokémon are interesting with the changes in climate being factors (Aloln Vulpix and Ninetales are so...pretty). I know they hinted about how certain Pokémon adapt to certain climates but seeing them going all out on it with certain Pokémon completely changing forms was an nice step into that realm. Though I wish they utilized it more than Gen I. Ultra Beasts are interesting though I'm not sure how they'll implement that in future games. I will admit that it's unfortunate that there's only one exclusive form in Ash-Greninja and not for other Pokémon.