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Intrinsic on 08 August 2017
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FloatingWaffles said:
Intrinsic said:

It doesn't matter what MS says, or you think MS is saying. And I doubt you can show us a single place that MS clearly says they are not making the XB1x to compete with the PS4/pro...... yes they said its a premium console, that doesn't mean its not competing for the same game dollars.

Besides, common sense dictates that the XB1X is in the very same "home console" market that the XB1 and the PS4/PS4pro is in.

And the bolded part? Please just stop..... the XB1 launched at $500, does that mean it wasn't competing with the PS4? The PS3 launched at $600.... does that mean it wasn't competing with the 360?

Come on man........

@ first bolded: 

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/250862-microsofts-phil-spencer-declares-xbox-one-x-not-everybody-claims-ps4-pro-competes-xbox-one-s

https://www.technobuffalo.com/2017/06/15/ps4-pro-no-competition-xbox-one-x/

https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/13/microsoft-doesnt-consider-ps4-pro-a-competitor-to-xbox-one-x-but-to-the-xbox-one-s/

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/06/microsofts-spencer-xbox-one-x-is-not-the-console-most-people-will-buy/

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2017/06/18/xbox-one-x-giving-fans-what-they-want-not-ps4-pro-competition/

I even found several articles for you in case one wasn't enough. Need more? 

@ second bolded: You're going with a logic of "well it' a videogame system releasing in the video game industry so it's of course competing since people have to choose which console they will buy", I never denied that. I simply said that's not what Microsoft made it for specifically though, this idea that "Oh and with THIS we're going to finally overtake other consoles and become #1 again" thinking some people are trying to say Microsoft had (which who knows, could be true, but nobody would be able to know that so it's irrelevant), which is what they have said the opposite of this entire time, which you seem to be having a hard time understanding. 

@ third bolded: Please just stop what, saying the truth? It's not my fault if you can't handle it my guy. 

wow... talking about twisting facts to suit a narrative.

Did you even read those articles?

MS saying the PS4pro is "no competition" for the XB1X is not the same thing as saying its not in competition with the PS4.

MS is trying to justify the price of their $500 "game console" by saying that its just all round much better hardware than the PS4pro and thats why it costs what it does.

Nowhere does MS say the XB1X is not competing with other game consoles.

And you are not saying the truth if you base it off the $500 price tag. I have cited multiple examples that you conveninetly ignored on "console" pricing that didn't suddenly exclude the consoles from competing with their nearest direct rival.

Just in case you missed it... I will say it again.

PS3 launched at $600 vs 360 at $400. They were competitors.

PS4 launched at $400 vs XB1 at $500. They were competitors.

PS4pro lauched at $400 vs XB1X at $500. They will be competitors.

All of the above are all "game consoles". They are all competitors. With different prices and different "marketed" value propositions. I mean if thats the case I guess we could all say the PS3 wasnt competing with the 360 because the PS3 could play bluray movies.