Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:
I was talking in a general sense and every person's experience is likely unique to some extent. Your experience doesn't negate what I said. The most important factor for them is their friends and family's acceptance of them though in comparison to societal experiences.
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1. Well. Actually it does negate what you said.
Because I am part of the LGBTQI community.
I have worked in the LGBTQI community.
I have friends and family in the LGBTQI community.
The acceptance issue starts from outside of family and friends. There would be significantly less Homophobic rhetoric in the world if various religions were not calling the LGBTQI community an abomination... A sin. That they are going to hell. And so on.
I suggest you watch the film "Prayers for Bobby" with Sigourney Weaver. Great film, might open up your perspective on how outside anti-LGBTQI influences family dynamics.
Aeolus451 said:
I've seen it used as a lameass attempt at a defense by alot of the left so they don't have to defend their opinions on issues or why think something. It's very backwards.
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2 Yeah. I am not a typical lefty. I hold some far-right ideas. And I am happy to change my view if evidence comes to pass. But if I see an idiot or a claim I don't agree with, you bet your ass I will call them out on it.
Aeolus451 said:
Being a man does not give me an educated perspective on men's issues, if gives me some insight into the issues I've experienced personally but not all across the board with everythiing guy related.
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3 It does give you an educated perspective if you combine your perspective with others that have endured the same experience.
You are turning it into a straw man argument now anyway.
Aeolus451 said:
It's just an inside perspective and it doesn't mean my opinions on men's issues have more weight than a woman or trans FTM on those issues. My experience could perhaps shed some light on some things for them if I tell them of it but it doesn't make me right on any of it. A guy could be right about a woman's issue even though most women disagree with it, same thing the other way around.
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4 Can't agree with any of that. You cannot have a man for instance tell a woman about their "cycle". I.E. How much pain they go through, the best products to use for controlling their period etc'.
And you cannot have someone outside of the trans community tell someone who is trans what is right or wrong and what they should and should not do, it's not only not your concern, but it's not your business anyway.
Aeolus451 said:
Alot of the times, a problem is not solved by the people involved but from a person looking in from the outside. It's incredibly toxic and idiotic for people to go down this rabbit hole. Do you really want cis or white people to tell minorties that they can't have a say with majority related issues or criticize the majorities because they're not like them? Doesn't that sound familiar?
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5 Sure. An outside perspective does help. But it's not going to help in this instance. There isn't an issue that needs to be solved within the community itself.
And you have completely turned my argument around and warped it. I am NOT saying that you can't have an opinion or view. In-fact, in my last post I strictled stated you CAN have an opinion. Again. You are turning it into a straw man argument, so please stop it.
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ugh.
1. I've talked to alot of the gay community, read things by gay/trans, watch vids youtubes from some of them on some of this. The family and friends of a gay/trans not accepting and supporting is devasting to that person and it's more damaging than what some people on the net say to that person.
2. Oh really? You've used that defense even in your recent reply to me to dismiss my points.
3. You're still being dimissive of an outsiders point of view. It wasn't a strawman but an example of my point which you apparently didn't get.
4. This what I was referring to in 2. i don't have need a vagina to understand women's issues. You're dismissing others' opinion because they are in the same club.
5. I turned your arguement around so you can see the stupidity and hypocrisy of it. You're very much saying that I can't have an opinion or a say. You did it with 4. Again, using an example to show my point is not a strawman.
