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Aeolus451 on 29 July 2017
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Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

That has more to do with how their family, friends and people around in their daily lives treat them, normal life stuff and their individual brain chemistry for their depression/other issues.

I am part of the LGBTQI community. And I am happy to say that statement of yours is an utter load of crap.

When you have the religious right constantly telling you that you are going to hell, your life is a sin... Constant hate, threats and discrimination.
Having to deal with LGBTQI-Phobes for your entire life, being discriminated against... (It's better these days than when I was a kid decades ago... Still not perfect though.)
And in some cases fear for your life... And the only reprieve you actually have is family and friends... Then try and tell me they are the cause. - Again, this falls back into the "You haven't lived it" scenario.

The irony is, with the rise of the far-right in recent years, such negative hateful vitriol is on the rise... And not just in the USA either.

I was talking in a general sense and every person's experience is likely unique to some extent. Your experience doesn't negate what I said. The most important factor for them is their friends and family's acceptance of them though in comparison to societal experiences.

Pemalite said:


Aeolus451 said:

To that bolded part, fuck that noise. I get to have a say because I'm a free thinking individual. I don't have to be a part of some club to have a say. What kind of backwards logic is that?

 

The logic is simple. It's like men deciding what is best for women's health.
You haven't lived it, you haven't experienced it, you haven't endured it so you don't have a genuine idea.

Sure you can voice your opinion, but that opinion shouldn't hold any weight as it's not an educated opinion.

I very much disagree with this line of thinking. It closes down any sort of discussion on a topic when you automatically say an opinion doesn't count or that they don't have a say because they haven't walked your shoes so to speak.  

I've seen it used as a lameass attempt at a defense by alot of the left so they don't have to defend their opinions on issues or why think something. It's very backwards. Being a man does not give me an educated perspective on men's issues, if gives me some insight into the issues I've experienced personally but not all across the board with everythiing guy related. It's just an inside perspective and it doesn't mean my opinions on men's issues have more weight than a woman or trans FTM on those issues. My experience could perhaps shed some light on some things for them if I tell them of it but it doesn't make me right on any of it. A guy could be right about a woman's issue even though most women disagree with it, same thing the other way around. 

Alot of the times, a problem is not solved by the people involved but from a person looking in from the outside. It's incredibly toxic and idiotic for people to go down this rabbit hole. Do you really want cis or white people to tell minorties that they can't have a say with majority related issues or criticize the majorities because they're not like them? Doesn't that sound familiar?