Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:
You really just don't get it, do you? I'm not treating upscaling as anything special. You are. The upscaling technology Sony has is good enough, and isn't worth the effort to update it so you can stick your eyeballs within an inch of your tv as you switch back and forth between inputs on your tv and salivate over whether it's close enough to the framemeister's perfect to be sastisfactory. There's just no reason to put the effort into updating their upscaler. I just listed a whole bunch of reasons why it might not be as arbitrary as you pretend to "update" their upscaler to do what framemeister's apparenty does. You're the one that said it was perfect, and I honestly couldn't care less about it.
I have no idea how framemeister's box does what it does. I have no idea if there's any IP behind it, and who owns that IP, and I don't care to find out. But I understand the implications of IP. I understand the implications of patents. I understand that you can't just emulate what someone else is doing just because you have the resources. I understand that "updating software" is often a nebulous term that can be far more complicated than it appears on the surface. I have clients call me up on a weekly basis asking for this feature or that feature, and sometimes when I quote them it's going to be 4 weeks work, they're shocked because they thought it should be able to be done in hours - because they don't understand software development. Because they don't understand that some seemingly simple change might require completely rewriting major aspects of an application in order to support it. If you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass, ask yourself why you can't change your name on PSN. It seems like such a simple change, doesn't it? Maybe they're just being giant assholes, or maybe they designed the system so that the username is part of the userID.
I'm just not making those assumptions that you're making because I know better. There are far more little caveats to consider that you're flat out ignoring that might be the difference between developing a better upscaler and canning the entire idea.
But let's be clear. This has little to do with upscalers. This is just how software and hardware development works. You have to consider all of the variables when you determine how feasible a solution acutally is. It's not as simple as "well this small company has done this great thing, and you're doing a good thing, so surely you can make that good thing just as great as that company's great thing for a fraction of the price, right?" Maybe they can and maybe they can't. But I'm not about to assume like you're so willing to do.
So keep talking out of your ass about how confident you are about what Sony or any company can or can make and at what price it would be. Keep using the term "economies of scale" as if that means that Sony can make whatever they like for 1/5th it would cost a smaller company without actually knowing what the margins are on any of the components within the device actually are, and how much you can get those margins down by ordering 10,000,000 instead of 10,000. It might not be nearly as much as you think, but hey, why stop assuming now?
It's hilarious how you're grossly oversimplifying absolutely everything about this. But let's not let reality get in the way of your dreams. Unfortunately for you it does mean that the PS1 classic you want is never going to happen, and you're just going to have to deal with it.
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"I'm not treating upscaling as anything special"
Yes you do. You've been treating it nothing but a holy alien like technology that is so complex that only the company behind Framemeister can get right, because they have patents and exclusive IP. You've been dismissing the fact Sony can just as well make their own upscaler, or update their old one, because they will cost Sony tons of money.
Your assumptions are based on nothing. You just think they cant do it because you are misguided. Sony can make a cheaper and better upscaler than a small company can ever do. The only reason it didn't happen yet is because Sony hasn't decided yet to make a PS1 Classic like I suggested.
Seriously, I dunno what you tried to achieve with your long winded wall of texts posts at me. I only proposed what Sony should sell me in the OP, you basically spent all this time telling me why I shan't dare propose the concept because the other company has Holy Upscaler and Sony doesn't. Also try to actually convince me why they can't do it instead of asking me useless questions like "why shud Sony ever make this? it costs money!" Yawn you might as well ask why is Sony making games? It costs money! Why did they enter the VR business, it's niche!
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No I'm not. I'm treating it as a software/hardware development problem and considering what you need to consider when developing a potential solution. I never said that Framemeister has some magic abilities Sony doesn't. Sony can indeed make their own upscaler as they have in the past. In fact Sony might already have the solution that framemeister has already built, but can't/won't put it into systems because of licesning issues. For all I know Framemeister is licening their upscaling technology from Sony! I have no idea, and I don't care to find out. I simply mentioned that there are plenty of potential issues, both technical and non-technical as to why Sony might not be able to or willing to pull off what Framemeister has apprently pulled off and you shouldn't dismiss them. It's simply not as cut and dry as you imagine it to be. You've blown that out of proportion to accuse me of acting like Framemeister are magicians or something. Until this thread I have never heard of Framemeister and I don't even know what they make besides "the perfect upscaler" according to you.
But again, Sony isn't going to bother. Their upscaling solutions are good enough as they are and don't need to be improved for your sake.
Go ahead, list one assumption I'm making about Sony's upscaling technologies and capabilites. Just name one.
I won't convince why they technically can't make the device you suggested because I don't know of any reason why they technically can't. BUT that doesn't mean they technically can either, and I've listed many potential reasons why. It also doesn't mean they can for the price you suggested, and also it doesn't mean they would bother doing it in the first place. Sony is in the business of making money. it's obvious to anyone with their finger on the pulse that making the PS1 version of the NES classic without the ability to read discs, without PSN connectivity, without being region free will be far, far more profitable for them then making a device that does even if it was only $40-$60 more expensive. That's not rocket science. Because of that, Sony is never going to make the device you want them to make because they literally have no reason to.
Besides you. Just go buy your little upscaling box, wipe the tears of shatters dreams away, and get over it.
