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Aeolus451 on 18 July 2017
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Final-Fan said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'll just agree to disagree on 1 and 2 since it's a legal argument that would debated around the termnology around the laws rather than who said what considering what the meeting was for. If this was about a donation of money in exchange for favors, it would be clear cut.  It will either go to court or won't.  I think that it won't or that it won't go much of anywhere other than being talking points for cnn for the next couple of years.

I think you're misunderstanding me with 3. What trump jr did in this situation and what just about all politicians do breaks the spirit of this law but trump jr came closer to breaking the letter of the law in this situation than most of them do. I think it's not a big deal because politicians ignore it anyway.

In my opinion, I think the law should be updated to fit the times to close loop holes or be done away with because it only serves as a snare for the witless instead of keeping foreign governments from influencing our elections by donating to candidates that would likely do something they want.

1&2.  I can't argue with that
(In all seriousness, I think that (a,b,c) could, if you were amenable, be fruitfully separated into "question of reality" to be discussed and "question of law" to be set aside, while (d,e) are only of value as "question of law"; but nevertheless I will respect your desire to agree to disagree on the whole show, for as long as that is your desire.) 

3.  I guess I did misunderstand you:  I had thought you were saying something more along the lines of "other politicians routinely break the spirit of the law more than Junior did, but Junior broke the letter of the law more than them"—whereas I now understand you to be saying something more like, "Junior only went a little further than others, if any at all, in terms of the spirit; but he clumsily came much closer than them to breaking the letter of the law."  Is that a more or less accurate picture of your thoughts? 

Basically.