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Machiavellian on 14 July 2017
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Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

You continue to assume that he did not use it.  You continue to assume that they had to just come out themselves with the information.  Depending on the nature of the info and how they obtained it, do you think it would be best for them to actually come out directly with that info.  If Trump and his administration did directly come out with that info, then they would be in a world of trouble.  Also there is an investigation with a Marketing research firm that Krusher funded that actually did throw out some dirt on Clinton behind the scenes.  

On another topic it does appear that Trump Jr and even Krusher could be procecuted for breaking the Finance laws governing contribution of foreign nationals.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

So basically it matters not if Trump actually did receive any information but the fact he went to the meeting to receive it could be enough.  Here is the passage that I am sure he and his lawyers will be making a defense and presecutors will be looking to make a case against.

(4)Knowingly means that a person must:

(i) Have actual knowledge that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national;

(ii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there is a substantial probability that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national; or

(iii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national, but the person failed to conduct a reasonable inquiry.

He didn't use the info. Just use your noggin'.  DId Hillary lose the election because of her own ties to russia? No. The info they went to that meeting for wasn't exchanged because it wasn't used when it was the most useful to the trump's side. You're the ones assuming things and being illogical about this. 

Exactly how am I assuming anything.  I said that the only word you are going on is Trump Jr who has shone that he will continue to lie until proven otherwise.  You continue to say nothing came of the meeting and I am wondering where you are getting this information from.  You continue to make statements on the belief that Trump and his team would personally exposed any information they may have obtained from this meeting not knowing anything about the information that was given.  I have no clue what came of this meeting but I can assure you I will not believe someone who has already shone he will lie every chance he can get.  

We still come down to what we know.  Trump Jr and his team went to the meeting expecting valuable information.  It really does not matter if it can be proven if he obtained that information or if he obtained the info and chose to use or not use or gave the info to someone else to use.  The facts are he went to the meeting with the intention of receiving valuable information from a foreign national.  Noticed in the post I made that it says solicited.  That means he does not actually have to receive anything he only had to know that one, the person was a foreign national which the emails prove, and two there was a payoff in some form which was the information.

So by going by my post, Trump Jr did violate the finance contributions and he can be tried and convited.  As to the penalty, I have not clue what that can be but who knows, it may have jail time which would be very interesting if so.