NYT : "Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign"

[Machiavellian]

epicurean said:

Machiavellian said:
I believe the key here is that he accepted the meeting knowing if the information was good he would need to pay up. So what would be the price of this information. For the people defending what he did as not being illegal, you may be right but you have to think about what the cost of the information to truly understand the situation.

While they say they were discussing adoptions who in their right mind believe that crap. First, at the time, Trump and his people had absolutely no pull to remove sanctions that were the cause of the Russia denying the US adoptions in the first place. So if the conversation was about adoptions, then what it really was about were the sanctions put in place. So here we are again where sanctions are the top of discussions and if Trump were to remove them you can be sure it was for payment for services rendered.

It continues to amaze me that people who continue to defend Trump and his people do not see the very obvious. No matter how you slice it, Trump and his people were making deals to remove sanctions and thus profit on the outcome. Since Trump and his people were not in the white house at this time, this would definitely be criminal acts on the order of Treason. Anyway, the fact these emails and other tidbits keep dropping peace meal make me believe that there are people with strings to damaging information and they keep dropping these little tidbits because Trump as usual never keeps his end of business deals.

It would not surprise me that Trump made some deals, got the Presidency then started to forget. Now these people start to drip out pieces at a time which always seem to catch his people off guard where they have to recant previous statements or reveal more then they disclose while looking completely stupid because of on camera statements they made denouncing anything was going on.

What makes you think they were going to have to "pay" for anything? I don't see anything in any of the emails, or even anything claimed by the Times, that any compensation - money or otherwise - is involved. 

I understand your further logic - I just don't agree with it. The Times, CNN, the Post, and others have been digging for over 6 months non-stop looking for info, and this is the biggest thing they've found (with the help of inside sources that are willing to leak literally everything he does). I just don't think the Russia story is going to get the Dems the endgame they want - impeachment - because I don't think there's enough there, unless they find a technicality (though that wouldn't suprise me).

I think there's probably other things he's done/said that would severly damage him, and I wish news outlets would stop with what thusfar has been a "nothing burger" and damage him for things that are more apparent and obvious.

When the last time someone was willing to give you something for nothing.  Why would this lawyer go on about the adoption stuff if that was not the agenda.  It's the information that Trump Jr gives out that he thinks is no big deal that reveals the payout.  If you really think about it, you should be very surprised they even got this info.  Just think about it, how did this email get leaked.  An email as damaging as this, released at a time like this not being purged from their system seems very suspect.  You go on about how many months these sites has been digging for dirt as if there is a time limit on such things.  Dirt get release when its convenient for interested parties to throw a broadside shot.  This is that broadside shot.  There isn't enough here to do anything but raise a lot of questions where a lawyer will probably wiggle Trump Jr out but you can believe this is a shot directly at Trump himself saying pay up or find your family in jeopardy.

My problem is that you are way to quick to throw away intent as if it means nothing.  Read the emails and you will see that from those emails there is definitely intent to collude with Russia for information on Clinton.  The key is that this type of information puts Trump Jr in jeopardy more than his Papa.  If Trump loves his son so much he got the wake-up call this leak intended.  You think this is all about Dems getting Trump impeached.  That is just one part of the story.  This is about getting Trump to pony up his part of the deal and every time he keeps waffling more like leaks like these will find their way into news site hands.  At the end of the day there will be a fall guy, it’s a matter of who that person will be.  My money is on Trump Jr taking the fall for his dad but we will see.