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Machiavellian on 11 July 2017
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epicurean said:
Machiavellian said:

So are you telling everyone that she was just there to talk about abortion to people who had no power to remove sanctions that were the cause of abortions being denied to Americans in the first place.  Who do you think benefits if those sanctions are removed.  Who do you think has to pay up and remove those sanctions for information.  So who exactly was she doing this work for.  Also if the real subject was the sanctions then Trump Jr was definitely in the wrong place talking about things he had no authority to talk or make deals on which if I remember correctly is a criminal act.

So what is your opinion they were talking about or what do you think the cost of this information Trump Jr and his father would have to pay if it was relevant.  The key is that you only have Trump Jr word that nothing came from this meeting.  You know the same person who continue to change his story as new information comes out.

I don't have any idea what they were talking about - I'm guessing it probably WAS about Hillary. I just didn't think there was anything tying her to the Russian government. I must be missing some of the emails, from what I've looked up, she was usually referred to as the "Russian Lawyer", though once she was referred to as the "Russian Government Lawyer", which I don't believe is actually correct. However the post above yours states that she was called something else, or got info from someone else, in the Russian Government, which as I mentioned, I haven't seen.

Before ya'll get to revved up, I'm in no way a fan of Trump, I just think the Russian narrative has been blown wildly out of proportion. It's basically been the lead story for 6 months now via CNN, the NY Times, and Post. They covered the DNC scandel for about 2 days, and that invovled one party doing everything they could to make sure someone was nominated. If the biggest thing they find is that Trump Jr met with a lawyer from Russia for 20 minutes, then I'm not nearly as worried about this as I am that the DNC is completely corrupt.

Reading the emails it's clear that it paints her and the information she had as coming from the government itself.  The issue is not that she is actually part of the government in any way, most times agents ties are hard to find anyway.  Its the fact that Trump JR is acting on the information in the emails and thus accepted the meeting with the full knowledge that the information and the person giving it could be a Russian agent.  This part you cannot just ignore as him being naive because Paul Manafort was also part of the meeting.

I would have agreed with you that the Russian narrative was something very hard to prove since it really did not need Trump personal involvement and even if he were involed in anyway would be hard to prove with private meetings like this where you have no clue as to the conversations that took place.  The thing is that little by little, information keeps leeking where Trump and his people have to change their stories.  You have had many reports of Trump trying to find ways to remove the sanctions against Russia and now you get these little nuggets from Trump Jr meeting with this lady who just happens to be on the subject of those same Sanctions.  The same sanctions that caused Flynn to get booted, Jeff Sessions to recuse himself etc.  I can care less bout the DNC, but what I do wonder is how many deals are on the table Trump has to pay for to stay in office.