CNN Producer: Russia Narrative "mostly bulls--t right now", is manufactured for ratings

[Final-Fan]

TH3-D0S3R said:

Final-Fan said:

If you agree with my definition of what a lie is, what is the lie and who are the liars? 

(If CNN isn't "relaying the information in a manner that could be interpreted as a lie", then you have just told me that they are not lying.  And yet you also say that what they are saying is "a lie".  Therefore, you have told me that someone has lied to CNN and that CNN is credulously repeating the statement they have heard—which is someone else's lie, but not CNN's lie.  CNN is just wrong in that case, not lying.)

Specifically in response to "They openly just told you to your face about false information spread to misinform the public":  Please provide me with the quote where they said that.  All I heard the CNN guy in the video say was that he heard it secondhand that CNN is going after the Trump stories at the expense of other stories (shoddy journalism but not spreading false information), and that he thinks that the investigations that CNN is spending so much time and effort on will not turn up anything substantial in the end (still not spreading false information as long as CNN doesn't tell people "this investigation will definitely get results", and even if they did do that it would only be a lie if they also knew the opposite was true)

If CNN is spending all of their time desperately trying to dig up dirt on Trump with the specific goal of torpedoing his administration—or if they are just doing it for ratings—or for lulz—none of that is lying. 

I am all for nailing people to the wall that deserve it, but it must only be done with criticisms that are factually true.  That goes for CNN and Donald Trump equally.  In fact, I can recall creating only one thread on the subject of Donald Trump, and it was to defend him against his critics about a position he'd staked out.  (Sadly, that was shortly before one of the few times he's retracted a statement.)

First of all, let me copy this from Merriam-Webster:

Definition of lying

1. :  marked by or containing untrue statements

That is the definition of a lie, and that seems to be what CNN is doing, reporting information that is not factually backed up in any sort of manner or isn't proven by an outside source. It doesn't matter how many times they say it, if they don't have the evidence to back it up the 1000th time it's just as credible when you made it up the 1st time. And secondly, in a specific real world case like this, something is either true or false, there's no in between. Either you're lying and manipulating the truth, or in this case, you're just making it up as you go along, with no sort of proof to back your statements. There is no believing in a falsehood when it comes to things like this, either it's true or false.

Secondly, mind if I ask if you've seen the Van Jones video. He openly says there's nothing to it, and not to look into it because there's nothing there. The issue is CNN IS lying, because it doesn't matter how well they report on a lie, they are still reporting a lie. I

First of all, let me copy this from Merriam-Webster: 
Definition of lie
lied; lying ˈlī-iŋ
    intransitive verb
    1    :  to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive "She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase." "He lied about his past experience."
    2    :  to create a false or misleading impression "Statistics sometimes lie." "The mirror never lies."

That is the definition of lie, and it seems to not be what CNN is doing based on this video.  Assertions to the contrary have heretofore been not factually backed up with specific evidence. 

As for there being "no in between", here is how I see the possibilities: 
1.  Say something that is true and you believe it is true.  This is "honesty" and truth. 
2.  (rare) Say something that is true, but you believe it is false.  This is "a lie" despite being a true statement due to the speaker's intent to deceive. 
3.  Say something that is true, but you really have no clue if it's true and don't care.  This is "bullshit".  Trump does this a lot IMO. 
4.  Say something that is false, but you really have no clue if it's true and don't care.  This is "bullshit".  Trump does this a lot IMO. 
5.  Say something that is false, and you are aware that it is false.  This is "a lie" due to the speaker's intent to deceive. 
6.  Say something that is false, but you believe it is true.  This is "wrong".  It is not a lie. 

As for Van Jones, do you mean the "nothing-burger" quote?  here are two rebuttals: 
1.  Nothing short of 100% raw unedited footage can be trusted from O'Keefe, and I'd still take it with a grain of salt even then. 
2.  This is what Van Jones actually was trying to say. 

If you mean something else, you'll have to provide either the quote or your source.  Van Jones has said a lot of things, as might be expected from someone whose job is to go on television.