Trumpcare Would Leave 22 Million Uninsured But Give The Wealthy $250,000 Tax Break

[Mr Puggsly]

ebw said:

Mr Puggsly said:
Ultimately, able body people shouldn't get FREE health unless they have a damn good reason. I've literally seen entitlements ruin people in my family. The mom got welfare, the daughter eventually got welfare, now their kids are a new generation relying on welfare. It literally ruins people to know they can live fairly comfortably on government handouts. Its good intentions actually doing something evil, killing any ambition.

 

I'm sorry that this happened to your family, but anecdotal evidence from a handful of people who are socially and genetically correlated is not convincing enough to draw such a conclusion. Here is a much larger pool of anecdotes:

 

http://www.zmescience.com/other/economics/basic-income-finland-23062017/

 

However, I wouldn't be too quick to draw the opposite conclusion since this trial was only for 5 months and your anecdotes are much more longitudinal than this. But I strongly believe that humans are ambitious for many different reasons, and that ambition can thrive without a motivation so drastic as the threat of death (for instance, mate selection can be a powerful motivator). I could equally well imagine cases where any ambition is killed by stress over losing one's coverage, who can say for sure without more analysis?

Any US examples?

Perhaps the people of Finland are culturally different than some of the US. The US is more diverse and a lot bigger, different problems.

For example, the immigrants of Europe tend to have unique problems not being addressed.