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konnichiwa on 27 June 2017
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thismeintiel said:
Dulfite said:
I've never heard of this. I have heard of a lot of people buying P3 because it was cheaper than a blue ray player when it launched.

See, this at least makes sense.  When the PS3 launched, it actually was among the cheapest Bluray players out there.  You couldn't find a Bluray player for half the price of the PS3, like you could do for a DVD player when the PS2 launched.  Of course, that also didn't last long and Bluray players dropped pretty quickly.  The attach rate being almost exactly the same as the 360 also proves that while it did happen, it was the extreme minority who bought it just for Bluray.

konnichiwa said:

ugh, I think you are starting to lose people now. The headstart of the Genesis certainly helped it, it even became the most selling console in Europe. Big gains compared to what the Master System did. That's why they always tried to release their console first. Saturn did a good fight the first year but it has to many issues. Dreamcast headstart kept it atleast alive for some time, if it released with PS2 around the same time it would have game over in months. Kind of amazed that you say the x360 headstart did not help its sales, it certainly did had an efffect especially if you compare it with the xbox that had not a headstart.

No comment about the first part?  Ok.

Did I say it didn't help it?  No.  I said it didn't help it beat X console.  And it didn't.  The headstart really means little in the long run.  Just look at the 3DO, Jaguar, Saturn, Dreamcast, and Wii U for prime examples.

You get a few extra million in sales, maybe, but it's what you do after that that determines where you end up.  If you don't have a competitive price, appealing HW, great 1st party support, and great 3rd party support, you won't get very far.  It's how a newcomer to the industry took down 2 giants of that industry.

I did not comment about the first part because PS2 was 199-250 Euro (depends on currencty) when Xbox launched for 450 euro .

And you said it makes no difference to have a headstart, It helped the megadrive to beat the Snes in Europe, it helped the PS1 to get devs make games for its system because of its userbase and don't bother with N64, it helped Xbox 360 thanks to its existing install base to get more games and make it win in the USA.