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NATO said:

 

 

thismeintiel said:


Labels this the "budget model," yet the poster actually writes that he could have gone cheaper with the 330D model.
Yes, slightly cheaper, the only difference being DD/DTS sound support, a feature the PS2 has.

This actually looks like a mid-range model.  However, the bigger point is, $599 AUD for this.  And the price of the PS2 in AU at launch...$749 AUD.  Ouch.
IT was a player being sold in a huge sale, $599 AUD was *AFTER* a $200 sales deduction, normal price would have been $799.99, converted to USD even after the $200 discount, it was still $365 USD on sale, and  $487 USD prior. also See footnote 1

This price is also in AUD, which means it's actually an even better price than the PS2.
Exchange rate at the time made the $499 USD player,  $304 USD. 
also See footnote 1

According to the manuals copyright, this actually came out in 1999.  It also looks like a mid-range unit.
Copyrights in manuals are based on the September 1999 launch in Japan, no english reviews of the player exist prior to early 2000, so it's safe to say the player did not release in the US/AU/EU until early 2000. also review is here: http://www.michaeldvd.com/HardwareReviews/Pioneer525/Pioneer525.asp explicitly states entry level unit, exchange rate makes the $699 pricetag on the review site $426 USD, $1 over the RRP on Panasonics site, result = entry level dvd player of a decent brand, $126 over the price of a PS2 at launch in the US.

Not sure why we are even looking at premium models.  But, again, it's AUD and the reviewer even says it is a poor value for the money.
For perspective, if you're going to look at the cheapest off-brand products and their black friday bargain basement prices to try and prove a point, it stands to reason that looking at premium players of the time for perspective makes sense, and a $1579 dvd player ticks that box nicely.

AUD.  PS2 $749 AUD.  
Budget off-brand player, $499 AUD, which was, as of 2000, still $304, the price of a PS2 stateside.

Again, why premium?
For perspective, again, and to show the varying priceranges for such products of the era.
$915 USD.

AUD.  PS2 $749 AUD.  Nuff said.
PS2: $300 USD, this player after date-appropriate currency conversion: $365

This one is closer to the PS2, but still not quite there.  And there are cheaper models.
$426 USD after conversion, PS2 launched in US at $300

Again, much cheaper models available.
Still a $609 USD "Budget" dvd player released the same year as the PS2.

Ditto.
Still a $548 USD
 "Budget" dvd player released the same year as the PS2.

And now, for the best.  Labeled this as a budget model.  Actual review says "deluxe model in the Lenoxx DVD player range, supplementing the budget-priced and lowly-rated DVD-725B."  The actual price of the budget model?  $399 AUD.  $350 less than the PS2.
It's the "Deluxe" model of a budget brand, and as the review also states, "Agressively priced at $499, and just like its cheaper version, a "sub standard performer", with such a glowing review as "The Lenoxx DVD-9000 is a DVD player that is significantly hampered by a poor quality image, one which is amongst the worst I have seen on any DVD player".

While it may be advertised as "deluxe", it's a shitty no-name brand and a poor, terribly manufactured POS that even when aggressively priced at $499 AUD, after currency conversion it's still $4 more expensive than a PS2.

thismeintiel said:

Now, you're just making things up.  GE, Samsung, and even Sony, had cheaper players available, as in $149-$199.  They were even cheaper on Black Friday.  They are far from shitty brands.  The only no name brand player I linked was $18 in 2004.  But, even the good brands had ones less than $50 the year prior. 

Your whole point is refuted by pointing out that most of those prices were AUD, something you chose to not to point out.  Hmm, wonder why.  And as the $749 price of the launch PS2 in AUS proves, you CAN'T just do a straight conversion of AUD to USD to win your argument. You have to do apples to apples, you know.

LudicrousSpeed said:
lol @ PS2 having one of the best launch lineups ever.
lol @ thinking that you can speak for the buying habits of over 100,000,000 people.
lol @ caring about this like 17 years after PS2 launched. Does it bother you that much?

I knew more than a few people who bought the PS2 largely because it was a DVD player. There's nothing really wrong with that. Why does that idea bother you? It doesn't take away any sales, they still count.

Does my data (price points, Xbox w/ DVD failure, SW attach rate) disproving this myth bother you so much you have to enter this thread and offer nothing constructive to it?  If so, just move on with your lols.  Thanks.