PS4 Kept up with Combined PS3/360 Sales for 3 Years!

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Turkish said:

VideoGameAccountant said:

The bold is a misunderstanding of the NPD data. If you look at May NPD numbers, hardware sales increased by 9 million (7 percent) from $138M to $147M and the NPD analyst said that was due to the Switch. If you take 9 million and divide it by the Switch's $300 price tag, the extra 9 million would only be 30,000 Switch units. The systems sell ~22K-24K a week in Japan. Japan made up about 20 percent of Switch sales as of March 31, 2017. The US was about 48 percent (but we'll say 40 for the sake of argument). If we assume 22K a week for 4 weeks that's 88K. Divide 88K by 20% gets you 440K. Times this by 40% gets you 176K. Times $300 that's $52.8 million. Subtract this from the $147 million and we get $94.2 million for the month of May without Switch sales. This would represent a 30 percent decline in 2017. Now, Wii U sales will be down in 2017 but they weren't stellar in 2016, and the 3DS should sell about the same based on Nintendo's projections. Nevertheless, If you take this into consideration, this means sales of PS4 and XBox One are down significantly from 2016. In other words, PS4 didn't beat Switch because it sold so much. It won because Switch was supply constrained. This is also consistent with the 20 percent decline in software sales for the month. Any way you slice it, PS4 is on the way down in the US. 

In Japan, the Switch doubles PS4 sales every week. Europe is really the only bastion of the system as others in this thread have pointed out. And Switch is doing well there too. In April, VGChartz had the Switch winning each week towards the end of the month. 

And this goes with what you said above. The difference is you are talking about the presence. I'm talking about the future. Could Nintendo take these series back? Probably. DQ is coming to the Switch. MH was ported to the Switch and the next one will be on Switch as the system is selling a ton in Japan. Japan has been handheld focused since Generation 7. With the Switch being a hybrid, its not unreasonable to think it could get both console and handheld development. You aren't going to see it right now because the Switch isn't even a year old and development takes a few years. But again, I'm talking about the future. My point was Sony may respond if development for PS4 moves to Nintendo Switch. They don't seem to be doing anything different in 2017 based on their E3 presentation. We are in Year 4 of the PS4. Systems generally last 5-6 years. Sony could move to make a new system very soon.

PS4 was the number 1 selling console in America in May, what are you talking about?

And PS4 is not down, it's UP!

Lmao at the yuuge wall of number crunching and "anyway you slice it", you were so sure man!

Also LOL at the lie of Switch doubling PS4 sales in Japan every week, that hasn't been the case last week and the weeks before it http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1391465

and it isn't even the case this week with Arms. Japan is an insignificant market anyway for Sony. You need to travel more, the world is bigger than America, Yurop and Japan. Sony is dominating in the entire globe, on top of dominating America and Yurop. Japan is insignificant for them.

Why are you claiming things that are not true?

And what does PS4 development moving to Switch even mean, Western 3rd parties have already abandoned the system and things aren't much better in Japan. No DBZ Fighterz, no Ace Combat 7, no Ninokuni 2, no MH World. What the Switch is gonna get are lower budget games which aren't graphically demanding, like the Vita ones, and they will all come to PS4 unless Nintendo pays for it. Like I said, Switch will be the PS4's second Vita.

I don't think you read anything I said

• I didn't say PS4 didn't win May, what I said was that it was down from May 2016. The increase in hardware is due to the Nintendo Switch (NPD Analyst specifically said that) and it was an increase of only $9 million(and I doubt Switch only sold 30,000 units for the whole month). Simple math tells you that if you exclude the Switch, hardware sales are down. Since every system is selling poorly except the 3DS and the PS4, and the 3DS will likely sell about the same as the prior year given Nintendo's projections, then PS4 is down. Its simple math.
• You'll have to give me a link to that chart because all I've seen NPD release about PS4 from May was that PS4+XBox One is up vs PS3+XBox 360 (which, BTW, was during the Great Recession)
• Here is the link to Media Create sales: http://gematsu.com/tag/media-create-sales. If you look, Switch doubles PS4 sales, so I'm not sure what you're going on about. It varies between week because Switch sales are dependent on the supply of units where PS4 always sells 12-14K with little variation. If you actually look at it, Switch double PS4 every week in May. Also, I think you should check again because Switch doubled PS4 the week of the 12th (http://gematsu.com/2017/06/media-create-sales-61217-61817) EDIT: Missed Pro sales. They are pretty minute (only 4-5K), but technically, it would be less than doubling. So let's say 1.5 times and split the difference.

I find it funny you said "Why are you claiming things that aren't true," when you actually said things that aren't true ("and it isn't even the case this week with Arms", Switch sold 37K vs 18K which is doubling)

But again, you can't look at the future. You say "It doesn't have these games," but you forget the system has been out for 4 months and games take 2-3 years to makes. The reason I say Japanese developers will move to the Switch because its selling out worldwide. Before, developers didn't see a reason to port over software or didn't see much in the system. Now it sells out every week in Japan and the US. Stores can't keep any inventory. Why do you think Monster Hunter XX was ported to Switch in Japan? Capcom had to rush something out since its doing so well. Where do you think the next Monster Hunter will be? On Switch. As these projects finish, you will see developers move to the Switch.

For example, check this out: http://www.vg247.com/2017/06/21/arms-first-week-sales-in-japan-rivals-tekken-7s-and-street-fighter-5s-selling-over-100k-units/

Gematsu reports that Arms has sold 100,652 units in its first week and seems to have had a knock-on-effect on Switch sales, which rose from 27,291 to 37,709 in the same week.

The game’s impressive sales dwarfs Tekken 7’s debut week numbers of 58,736, and it’s already beaten the fighter’s lifetime sales figure of 76,603. Arms also sold double the units that Street Fighter 5 managed in it’s first week – 46,836 – making it one of the biggest fighting games in years.

What do you think Capcom and Namco think when they see these figures? Companies are going to be looking at the Switch more seriously for their games and will be reluctant to sign exclusivity deals for PS4 exclusives. PS4's life is coming to an end. It's going to have to start thinking about making a new system, especially as the market is moving away from it in the US and Japan. Despite what a lot of fans think, the PS4 was not as successful at launch as the Switch is now.  So what does Sony do? Do they try and get something out there so they can snag development for their system, or do they sit back and hope that their consumers don't get absorbed by the growing PC market. This is why I said at the outset that Sony releasing a new system is going to be influenced by the Switch. If it wasn't a roaring success, Sony could have ignored it. Now, it will be hard to as Nintendo begins to absorb the downmarket and PC absorbs the upmarket.