E3 2017: Indies 'Less Relevant Now,' Says PlayStation's Jim Ryan

[Mr Puggsly]

Ali_16x said:

Mr Puggsly said:

If you wanna argue neither company was great to indies, there is totally a discussion. But Sony was worse and thats why MS got great support early on. Over time, Sony relaxed and got better support.

However, your original point was Sony started the indie boom when MS actually deserves the credit.

Frankly, it doesent really matter and I do agree the indie scene has become oversaturated. But there are still gems.

Please give me examples as I don't know any. I've actually given you tons of examples. And even if Sony did treat indies worse, which I haven't heard of anything, Microsoft got indies because they looked for them. It was just a plan, like how Microsoft is doing BC right now, it's just a plan. 

And again, you seem to be confusing Microsoft getting indies first to indies being in a health environment. So if you can't give me any facts, and even if you did, it doesn't change what I've said, they've changed all their shit, BECAUSE OF SONY. It's a fact, you can see that RIGHT NOW, with how indies are given so much freedom now. You can see now that MS doesn't have a partiy rule or atleast not as severve as it use to be, you can see that indies don't need a publisher, they can actually publish their game themselves. You can not say that indies were better off in the 360/PS3 era than right now. You just can't. And I have a feeling you're going to reply and basically say nothing, like you just did, don't bother.

So it sounds like you agree pushed for that indie movement and retro movement first. It really started on OG Xbox because MS sold small titles there as well.

The problem is developers have had is Sony wanted to own the IPs they worked with. Which is fine but it costed them support. While MS was more open to working with developers for timed or sometimes permanent exclusivity. MS was obviously more open to console exclusives which why a lot of indie content also went to PC.

The Limbo developer was one who flat out said they went to MS for the reasons I said. For a period Sony just about everything they got involved with. That changed.

My argument in a nutshell is MS made the push first. Sony made chamges for better support and MS followed.