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Captain_Yuri said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well you arent gonna do clerical work on a console but they do more than gaming.

Anywho, not all PCs are NOT designed for upgrades these days. They make compact PCs about the size of X1 or much smaller. Yet none of them have decent APU like a modern console.

Its not a silly argument, some of these Steam machines were designed without the ability to upgrade much. But they suck and are expensive because there isnt a good/cheap gaming APU in that market. I find it odd thats the case consideribg modern consoles are basically a x86 PC.

The silly argument isn't that there shouldn't be good PC APU for gaming, the silly argument is comparing and xbox one x to an i7 and saying that cause the i7's GPU isn't very good at gaming, the xbox one x is far more impressive which again, ignores the reason why the i7 is built the way it is and why the xbox one x is built the way it is.

I again, agree that if you compare the xbox one x to the pc apus like the AMD A10 series, the xbox one "crushes" those and it's impressive. But comparing it to an i7 is just silly because the AMD A10 apus are the ones that are trying to be purposed as "budget gaming" APUs while the i7s are not...

And yea, steam machines are a mess, that's why most people don't buy them. If an APU like the one on the Scorpio existed on PC, it would be kinda bad cause of how important CPU performance is to PC so having such a jaguar CPU + a strong GPU setup wouldn't work very well. However, it might be finally happen with Ryzen APUs but we will see.

What I am trying to get at is... Comparing xbox one x to Amd A10 APUs on PC makes sense because those two are built to have a similar purpose. But comparing an i7 to xbox one x is just silly.

Ya know... you dont need a high end CPU to run modern games and Windows apps. My CPU is junk but I cam play most modern games fairly well.

With my RX 460 it can do 30 to 60 fps depending on the game. So a PC APU with modest CPU performance and good GPU would be great for cheap and compact gaming PCs in theory, like a console. But for some reason it doesent exist.

The PC market has many options but no cheap APUs for modern gaming. Thats part of the reason Steam machines failed.



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