DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:
So why do you than think Nintendo dont talk about 2018. games yet, why do you think in January event they announce only games that will be released this year, why they choose focus on 2017. games on E3, why they announced Pokken Tournament only 3 months before launch and they wil do same thing for Mario Rabbids!? All that is evidence that they want to have much less time between announcement and launch, its so obvious and clear.
Again, Nintendo always in some degree done that (for instance SM3DW is announced and launched in same year, they done that with last few Pokemons), but Sony and MS never hadn't done that. They decided to go with that plan fully because now they will have steady flow of good and strong games without droughts, but for instance if Switch sold bad until now probably Nintendo would show on E3 more 2018. than they will know when they can't keep up with demand.
"Why do companies not follow this route aswell?" Because Sony and MS operating different compared to Nintendo, that's clear like day. Why Nintendo announced games just few months before launch, why Nintendo has Nintendo Directs, why Nintendo has Digital Event on E3 instead live conference, why Nintendo showed Switch just 5 months before launch and had Switch conference only 2 months before launch, why Nintendo released hybrid...because they have different approach and they managing things different compared to Sony and MS. Is really so hard to accept that, that Nintendo is not Sony and that they are quite different!?
I don't ignoring anything, Wii, DS and 3DS sold great beauce what they are and beasuse strong 1st party games, same will be for Switch, and actual current sales are telling us exactly that. Fact is that 3DS sold less than DS and GBA is normal because in DS and GBA age we didn't had smartphone/tablet gaming that eat big part of handheld gaming, and actually 3DS sales are huge success because 3DS was waiting aging incredible popular smartphone/tablet gaming.
When we talk about Nintendo hardware, 1st party games are always easily bigest reason why people are buying Nintendo hardware compared to Sony or MS consoles, even current Switch sales proves that.
Yes Bomberman, but Indies haw solid sales if we look best selling Switch eShop games.
At end, you need to accept that Nintendo is not Sony, that they are manging most of things totally differently, they have different approaches and goals.
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I don't know why they are not revealing more of their E3 plans and i never said it was because of this or that reason. I raised questions: is it because their strategy is wrongly planned; is it because they don't have a good 2018 and the best option was, like in recent history, focus on what you have and not on what you don't have?
I don't have an answer.
I may have reasons (recent past and no talk about 2018) to fear that the anwser is not what i want to hear.
What i won't do is close my eyes to the REASONS WHY they changed their strategy and not simply say they are different because they are different.
I mentioned SOny and MS, but i could have mentioned a ton of studios that go to E3 and act the same way.
NDs and Digital Events never stopped Nintendo from revealing stuff like they used to. You can't use that as an excuse. Nor can you bring a few games that change nothing.
I'm not talking about the type of HW or reveal > release timeframe. That's not what we are talking about, and being different in a certain aspect (or more) doesn't automatically say they are different in everything.
I wouldn't be so hasty in saying Switch will follow Wii's success.
3DS was also, for quite some time, ahead of DS and look at the difference now.
Your use of DS and Wii as examples of "we don't need heavyweights" is a bad example, because is something that can't be said today (only during that time).
And now, like before DS and Wii, you need it.
Thing is, when Nintendo stopped having those heavyweights, was the day they started losing marketshare.
I don't want Nintendo to be like everyone else, but there are reasons why they act differently. And it's those same reasons that i question.
And truth is, a lot of studios (if not all) reveal - like Nintendo did until it couldn't anymore - what's coming and what's to come.
The idea that Nintendo just decided, one day, out of the blue, that they were going to act differently, is something that makes me question why (answer: that coincidence!).
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So you refuse to believe that they want to have much less time between announcement and launch, with so clear examples and so evidence, that is so obvious and clear!? Thats some strong denying.
Point is that Nintendo operating different, not just compared to Sony and MS, but compare to most of 3rd parties also. I gave you clear examples how much different Nintendo is operating and how much different approach they have. Hole my point still stands.
I never said that Switch will be success same like Wii, I mention Wii just like one of examples of Nintendo success without "heavyweights". Actually 3DS didn't had good start, thats why Nintendo gave 3DS big price cut very fast. Not true, that could be said even today, 3DS will end up around 75m in smartphone era without "heavyweights", and now Nintendo can't keep up with Switch demand again without "heavyweights" 3rd parties. Again, you need to realise that Nintendo games are what selling Nintendo hardware not 3rd party games like MS or Sony consoles. Wii and DS were losing market share!? :D
Nintendo acting different from GC faile and it paid them of big time, only Wii U was failure and after DS, Wii and 3DS, currently all pointing that Switch will be also success.
Again, Nintendo always in some degree done that (for instance SM3DW is announced and launched in same year, they done that with last few Pokemons), but Sony and MS never hadn't done that. They decided to go with that plan fully because now they will have steady flow of good and strong games without droughts, but for instance if Switch sold bad until now probably Nintendo would show on E3 more 2018. than they will know when they can't keep up with demand. Why are doing that!? Because they want to be more focused and to promote much more games that will people be able to buy in near future, not to talk about games that will not be in sale in 2-3 years, and with Switch we see that strategie works.
irstupid said:
DélioPT said:
I don't know why they are not revealing more of their E3 plans and i never said it was because of this or that reason. I raised questions: is it because their strategy is wrongly planned; is it because they don't have a good 2018 and the best option was, like in recent history, focus on what you have and not on what you don't have?
I don't have an answer.
I may have reasons (recent past and no talk about 2018) to fear that the anwser is not what i want to hear.
What i won't do is close my eyes to the REASONS WHY they changed their strategy and not simply say they are different because they are different.
I mentioned SOny and MS, but i could have mentioned a ton of studios that go to E3 and act the same way.
NDs and Digital Events never stopped Nintendo from revealing stuff like they used to. You can't use that as an excuse. Nor can you bring a few games that change nothing.
I'm not talking about the type of HW or reveal > release timeframe. That's not what we are talking about, and being different in a certain aspect (or more) doesn't automatically say they are different in everything.
I wouldn't be so hasty in saying Switch will follow Wii's success.
3DS was also, for quite some time, ahead of DS and look at the difference now.
Your use of DS and Wii as examples of "we don't need heavyweights" is a bad example, because is something that can't be said today (only during that time).
And now, like before DS and Wii, you need it.
Thing is, when Nintendo stopped having those heavyweights, was the day they started losing marketshare.
I don't want Nintendo to be like everyone else, but there are reasons why they act differently. And it's those same reasons that i question.
And truth is, a lot of studios (if not all) reveal - like Nintendo did until it couldn't anymore - what's coming and what's to come.
The idea that Nintendo just decided, one day, out of the blue, that they were going to act differently, is something that makes me question why (answer: that coincidence!).
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I read all your prior posts and you talk alot about "no games in 2018 or future" and it being all PR talk basically that they only talk about today. You bring up how in the past they used to talk about the future. ECT.
Well here are my two cents.
1. In the past. In the past they also had big live conferences. They also no longer do that. They have differentiated how they Market and release themselves and their games from Sony/Microsoft in basically all ways. Being secretive is nothign new for Nintendo.
2. What is teh point of announcing 2018 games now? The hype and demand for a switch is through the roof right now. Why further hype something that is 'sold out' They can showcase 2018 and future games whenever they want to draw new hype and excitement to teh system, no need to have it get lost in the E3 noise. Hell look at teh Pokemon direct. It shut down a half dozen gaming sites on the internet after it aired. Nintendo had that day solely to themselves. No sharing with MS/Sony and the dozens of other 3rd party developers that E3 has. Same with any other Nintendo direct other parts of the year. They get that day to themselves. Everyone in the gaming community is tuning solely into them, and afterwards has only them to talk about.
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Totally agree, all it's very clear and obvious with clear examples and facts, but for some reason he refuse to see that.
