Trump Paris Meta-Decision

[IsawYoshi]

Superman4 said:

IsawYoshi said:

You could say that about every single international agreement ever. It's not like a country is going to be arrested or something. But when you are part of an agreement the other parts expect you to fullfill it, at that DOES actually mean that this changes everything. Not only that, but by showing that the US is commiting to the treaty they can leverage that in talks with other countries and say "hey, we're doing something for the entire world, why don't you up your efforts." Now instead we're going to have the single most powerful country in the world on the outside, together with such world powers as syria and nicaragua. I suppose they had poor coal plant workers to take care of and europe was trying to steal their money as well.

 

What's the point about leaving if you're supposed to cut the emissions anyway? Why not stay in? Why in gods name piss of every other state and nation in the world if your going to do what you agreed to anyway?

You leave it to stop paying other countries who are doing nothing 100 Billion a year. You seem to think that companies will stop installing solar panels, consumers in general will decide that they don’t want a hybrid or electric car, solar panels for their house etc. It doesn’t work that way. The cost of installing Solar or wind is minuscule in comparison to the overall savings. Companies and people in general understand this. Gas mileage is something that is dependent on price, nothing more. If gas prices were .20 a gallon nobody would care about an electric car or how many miles per gallon it consumed. People will continue to buy LED lights etc. because they save them money, the environment is not in jeopardy because we decided to stop wasting money on other countries when we can’t even figure out how to take care of our own.

The 100 billion dollars you are talking about is a joint effort. Trump talks like america is the only one doing anything, but in the real world the other nations are contributing as well. Here's a link from the UN talking about the 100 billion dollars: http://unfccc.int/cooperation_and_support/financial_mechanism/items/2807.php

 

You seem to be putting words into my mouth, because I do not "seem to think that companies will stop installing solar panels" and so on. Of course these things will advance as time flies by, and the cheaper and better they get the more use they will see regardless of what policy trump has. However Trump has the ability to speed up this process, because by for example removing coal plants the energy prices will go a bit up, which makes solar panels and other green alternatives more viable and profitable, therefore driving sales. This needs to happen worldwide, but not all countries has the funds to do this, and this is where not only the US but the rest of the developing world has to step up and help the smaller, less fortunate nations out. The environment is already in jeopardy, and Trumps actions isn't helping anyone.