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He's trying to play GTAIV, but it keeps DRE-ing him.....as well as his other games. He's going to buy a new one, but he's convinced that the elite is the best one, hardware wise. I'm trying to tell him that the second generation 360's (he has a first gen) pro's (with HDMI) are the same as the elite now, in terms of hardware quality, minus that phat hdd, and the blackness. I know that's how it is, but he won't believe me, even though I'm trying to save him money, and he just so happens to be a penny pincher. Can anyone link me to give proof that the new pro's and the elites are essentially the same now?