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AlfredoTurkey on 25 May 2017
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WC4Life said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

I have with both drugs and alcohol. I was able to kick both through sheer will power but that will power was caused by overdosing, feeling like I was failing people in my life and myself... I had just had enough. That's the thing about addicts. They rarely ever make it out of their addictions because they rarely really, really want to stop. And by stop, I don't mean like, sitting around going "man, I really don't want to be doing this anymore". I'm talking about waking up and having a profound, emotional, this shit ends NOW type of thing. If that drive and determination isn't there, then they're going to keep doing it. It has to be more of an epiphany or it's not going to happen.

That's one of the reasons I look down on programs, self help books and things of that nature. Those things are really good when used as supplementation to help someone who's ready to kick the shit out of their life. But when people are completely weak and clueless and want someone to basically drag them across the finish line, that stuff doesn't work. They have to be the sole strength behind their life change.

Finally some real talk and life experience.

 

 

This is very interesting topic and I was thinking commenting on it but seeing some of the posts makes me just feel bad...like there's no point trying to explain something for people so completely clueless. Addictions, it doesn't matter whatever they are, there's a story to each one of them...a human story. We all do some stupid shit sooner or later and when it comes to drugs or some other stuff, the person doesn't necessarily or hardly ever even understand he has become addicted so it's not something that can be blamed solely on CHOICE...or do people really think addicts chose to become addicted? This thing isn't black&white, it may seem so from the outside but it isn't...but ya'll keep talking down addicts from your ivory tower, humilitation, disrespect, pity, shaming, isolating from the society...and at the same time thinking I AM better than that, I'm a better person than a addict...but then look at your fucking behaviour, look how you treat other people...yeah you're a fucking saint.

People have long since ignored the science and psychology of addiction. The same can be said about things like depression. People who do not suffer from something can't fully understand it. From their point of view, it's just stupid people being stupid etc. They ignore the science, because if they didn't, it would force them to have a different point of view and put themselves in a place of luck, not success. See, if someone walks around thinking that addiction is pure choice and depression is "just a bad mood", then that makes them strong and intelligent. It makes them feel like they're a better person. It validates their self-worth. If they buy into the science of it all, then all of a sudden, theyre just lucky. They're not better, more intelligent, tougher etc. They just won out in some random genetic game of chance and had all of that handed to them.

To understand human behavior, you have to get into the psychology of it all. Once you do, everything becomes really fucking clear and people become really fucking predictable and obvious.