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DélioPT on 13 May 2017
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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

"it's obvious they learned their lessons"
Have they really? Because when i look at their own offering (4 original games during 10 months) i'm not convinced.

"That's almost certain case for 2018"
You are saying this because of one year that had 4 original games and 2 ports. I'm basing what i say on past and recent failures.
Is my criticism/fears that unreasonable?

If this was another ND where they focus on this or that game... ok. But this is E3. This is where they are supposed to bring their A game, the place where they actually show that 2017 was just the start and things are take off next year.
But when they just want to focus on 2017 games, i get reminded of 2015 and that's not good.

I'm only questioning their strategy.
In the past, when they had games to show off they never decided focus on games coming in the current year.
You are also forgetting that they have competition and that MS is going to present Scorpio.
This was supposed to be the year where they showed us why we should trust them and give them our money, not just a repitition of January's presentation.

If, after dropping support for Wii U in  - at least - 2015 and with same happening with 3DS, they can only bring a few number of games for 2017, then i question rightfully so if they did learn and if 2018 is going to be different.

Of Course they are, great concept, great branding and marketing, great launch game, and great system seller games in 1st 9 months of console life, basicly all thigs that Wii U didnt had. And sales and popularity of Switch proves that.

I saying that because they made great job with 1st 9 months compared to Wii U even to 3DS also, I saying that because Switch is their main platform and they resources cannot be divided like before. First they are currently 5 original games in 1st 9 months of Switch, also but we could get announced another at E3, but who cares if all games are not original!? Does anybody cares that Zelda BotW and MK8D are not just Switch exclusives!? Not rely, sales proves that. Like I wrote, every new console is totally different thing, compare GC to Wii, Wii to Wii U and now Wii U to Switch.

Nintendo E3 Digital Event is basically bigger Nintendo Direct, people calling Nintendo Directs Mini Nintendo E3s. And yes, last ND is perfect for comparison because with E3 Direct because both have "focus" in title. Yes this is E3, and they will bring their A games. We will see rest of 2017. and some of 2018. games, but main focus will be on those 2017. games because logical they will be out 1st and thats why for them they have TreeHouse play, stage demos, tournaments. Again, I dont see how you can compare 2015. E3 where Wii U was dead for quiet time and when Nintendo obviously dropped support for Wii U, and 1st E3 for brand new and successful platform.

You can question their strategie, but their current strategie is very successful. In past Nintendo also did not revealed console with only 3 minute video 5 months before launch and had full presentation only 2.5 months before launch, in past Nintendo also didnt had mobile games..

Scorpio is high end product and definitely will not be problem for Switch at all. But you forgetting that Nintendo won last E3 with just one game.

"This was supposed to be the year where they showed us why we should trust them and give them our money" Its not about trust, its point only about how much curent product is appealing, and Switch is very appealing, from hardware/koncept point and from great games. And Switch sales proves that. "Repetition of January's presentation". Relly!? So you already seen Nintendo E3 presentation!? Why you sound like E3 already passed!? You also said you expeting to see some 2018. games and now you say "Repetition of January's presentation"!?

Nintendo made 2017. very strong for Switch, like wrote if we talk about huge and system seller games, Switch 1st 9 monts is probably strongest compared to any other Nintendo console, and most likly we will see some unannounced game/games for rest of 2017. So why they would release more games in 2017. when can instead make 2018. also strong for Switch!? Why they didnt realise Mario Odyssey on launch alongside with Zelda BotW and instead they made Mario Odyssey holiday season game!? Because there were no need for two huge game on launch and it's better to spread them out.

Just because they did better in terms of messaging and concept doesn't mean they have corrected all their mistakes.
So far, in terms of in-house game production, they have yet to show that they won't repeat Wii U and 3DS mistakes.
Using 2017 to conclude that 2018 is going to be the same or better is... not logical, at least. They barely showed their titles for 2018, yet you assume it's going to be ok.

Who cares they are not original?! But that's exactly my point.
Where's their in-house development to make me say "ok, 2018 is going to be better?
This isn't about sales success. It's about game development, and only that.

To me, a E3 presentation is to send a different message than a ND could.
We don't agree on that. Fine.

You can't deny that Nintendo still has a lot to prove. And it's not one year that changes everything.
I could have been really optimistic after E3 2014 and think that Nintendo was now correcting their mistakes. E3 2015 would have proven me wrong: one good year changed nothing.

No, i've not seen their presentation, not have i claimed that it's going to be a failure.
I am only questioning part of their strategy.
When they say that for the presentation they are going to focus on 2017 games, i question why they don't divide their attention between 2017 and 2018 games. They could focus all they want on 2017 games during treehouse and on the showfloor. They didn't have to do it on the presentation.