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Zkuq on 10 May 2017
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barneystinson69 said:
Zkuq said:

Oh, so they're investigating nothing, just to make it look bad for Trump, after basically giving Trump the election victory? Investigations can take a lot of time, especially when there's powerful people involved. This isn't a routine investigation. Also, it'd be foolish to think Russia had nothing to do with the election for sure. Maybe it didn't, or maybe the effect was quite small, but I doubt you have access to the information necessary to make any kind of conclusions about the situation. Neither do I, but I'm not claiming anything to be certain about the situation.

Of course Russia "influenced" the election! Hell I'm sure other countries have tried in the past, and I'm sure the United States have done the same (in fact, they did with Russia in the 90s as well). That was apparent with wiki-leaks. Even so, the Russians didn't hack the machines, they didn't force people to vote Trump, and the ballots weren't stuffed, meaning the election wasn't rigged. I understand investigations, but when the media is painting this as Trump working with Russia, when nothing has come out to prove that, I do have an issue with that.

I haven't been following American media so I can't say how the American media has been painting the situation*, but over here, I haven't been the impression that Trump is being painted as working with Russia. All I've been hearing is it's being investigated whether there's something suspicious going on or not. That's a huge difference.

*Actually I've seen a few titles and that's about it, but everything I've seen has been quite factual and not painting Trump as working with Russia. Are you sure Trump is painted as guilty here, or are you just choosing to interpret the situation that way? This is an honest question, because I haven't been following the media over there and everything I've seen suggests otherwise.