What Nintendo learned from Sony

[Nautilus]

twintail said:

Nautilus said:

As for the first paragraph, you just said what I had basically said.PS4 succeeded on the promise on the great games and the screw up of the other two.I do think its largely, or most due(choose what term you prefer), to the screw up, but what you said is basically what I think.

I said forums in general and youtubers reflect the general line of though about how more core and hardcore gamers perceive the Switch.If you go to youtube now and see videos about their opinions about what they think about the Switch, most oof them will be positive.And there is a big difference betwenn these systems launch.3DS and the Wii U sold well at their respective launches... for about two or three weeks.After that, you could easily find them at astore shelves, and after the first quarter, shipments plummeted.3Ds, as we all know, eventually recovered, but the Wii U did not.It did so bad that it shipped around 4 millions(pulling the number out of my head) for only the first year!The Switch, on the other hand, is constantly selling out and demand is extremely high.And even if demand was met, Im 99% sure sales wouldnt just plummet.They would just stabilize at a good number(thinking around 400- 500k worldwide).Hell, the Switch is starting to outsell the Wii U and the 3dS combined in Japan.That says something.

Well, for your third paragraph, Im giving the Switch the benefit of the doubt.For now, it does have diversity.Each first party game belongs to a different genre, and there will be about 8 games in total from Nintendo alone this year.But yeah, at E3 we will see what the Switch will hold for 2018( or at least get a better idea at it) and see if the third party support will improve.I mean, I still epect little support from the west at this E3, but Japan should start showing its support.If the west ever start to support it, we will only see it in 2018.And honestly, even if it dosent get as much suppport as we all hope, Nintendo could still carry it.I mean, just look at the Wii and the 3DS as an example, both of which had little to modest support.(Im not counting shovelware here as support)

 

Please dont lump my view into yours. You clearly believe competitor problems  (above everything else) = PS4 early success. I dont. 

Again, with 2 different userbases (consoles+handheld) potentially buying into the Switch, it selling out doesnt tell us anything about mass market appeal. It could just as likely tell us that 2 different Nintendo device demographics are buying into this single device. 

Outselling the 3DS and WiiU weekly at this stage means almost nothing. WiiU has been dead and Switch basically serves as a 3DS successor more than anyhing else. Outselling 2 old machines right now doesnt say anything, except the natural response that WiiU and 3DS owners are both jumping in on Switch. 

Wii got a lot of 3rd party support. Im surprised ppl think otherwise. 3DS drop in support shows with its massive drop in sales compared to DS, and still below the PSP. So 3rd party support is going to be important because as the WiiU shows: Nintendo alone doesnt really cut it. The only positive for Nintendo is that Switch can become their Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing machine. But that is hardly variety at this stage for a Nintendo device. 

Variety just because Nintendo has IPs that exist in different genres basically makes you entire thread pointless. Nintendo learned to have different types of games from genres they have been making for years doesnt exactly fit your topic MO that they are doing what Sony is doing. Not are they only not doing what Sony is doing so far (tons of different games from a wide variety of publishers) but its something they have been doing for years already. 

I never lumped my views into yours.You simply resaid everything(in that past post) I said from the beginning:That the screw up from Nintendo and MS, coupled with the promise of a great future, is what initially sold the PS4.

And yet we have famous youtubers that are known to be mostly Sony fans being really positive about a Nintendo machine for a change.I never said that this is definitive proof, quite the oposite, but given this and the fact that the Switch keeps selling out, Its beyong obvious at this point that the Switch is appealing to the consumer base outside of the Nintendo crowd.Now how much is another question.But that there is an appeal, there is.

I should have stated that the Switch is outselling the Wii U and 3Ds combined with their launch alligned.In the same period that they released(as in the first two months of the Wii U and 3DS  in Japan), the Switch is starting to outsell it.Again, its not a definitive proof that its going to be a success in the long run, but this coupled with the other things points that the Switch will do at least better than the Wii U(It isnt that much, but its something).

Ehhhh not really.Alot of the support that the Wii got were shovelwares(Party games, really simple games, or just straight bad games).It did have modest support, dont get me wrong, but its not as good as you say.And your Wii U example is horrible.The Wii U didnt fail just because of lack of third party.It was a variety of missteps by Nintendo(ended up being too expensive to manufacture, bad marketing, complete lack of first party games in the first year,a concept that was not that well thought, etc).People mistakenly put Wii U failure mostly due to lack of third party, and thats a common mistake.

And another thign that kinda pisses me off is the line of thinking "Oh, Nintendo will only be successful if they put a Pokemon game on their system".No.Nintendo can be successful and push systems without Pokemon.Dont get me wrong, Pokemon is a gigantic IP and is very important.But Pokemon by itself wont make a successful console, and a Nintendo machine can be successful without it.Justlook at Zelda.BOTW has a real chance of passing the 10 millions mark.Mario Kart 8 Deluxe had its best opening in US ever.Splatoon is bound to put Japan on fire, maybe with the same effect as a Pokemon game.Nintendo is more than Pokemon, Animal Crossing or FE.

As I said to Rol, I should have written that this variety is important, and is a lesson learned from Sony, in the sense that they are putting this much variety in such a short time.While Sony has the third parties to make the hard work for him, Nintendo needs to put the hard work itself, because it dosent have the same luxury than Sony.So its in that sense that they learned from them and thats why it is so important.