OK, let's use what you've said then. Noone who specifically dislikes the series should review it, but even given the assumption that both of these reviewers specifically dislike MGS as a series, they didn't give it poor reviews. An 8 is a fine review, and if you look at it as being from a non-fan then it's even better. If they were giving MGS4 a score of 3 and spewing hate in their then I would agree that their reviews are ridiculous. But giving the game an 8 is perfectly fine and not worthy of notice.
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