Azuren said:
Hiku said:
Incorrect. If they had chainsawed him out of the seat, they'd be in jail for excessive force, manslaughter, etc.
| the line stops when the person is 1) not comploying with authorities (wrongly or not) and then resisting, simple as that. There are only one way to remove him from the plane; pull him and drag him... |
Two ways. Bash his skull in on an armrest.
And again they did not bash his skull, HE did but actively resisting and then hurting himself...
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And again, they did as well. Cops can get convicted with excessive force, or gross negligence, even if that situation happened because a suspect resisted and they had a right to detain them. Going back to the line I'm talking about that you pretend doesn't exist. If this man was a danger to others, and there was a sense of urgency, then it's a different story. But this was just a guy who wouldn't get off his seat.
The way they handled this man was incompetent to say the least.
| You ignored it but my analogy (somewhat extrem) with a dude pulling a gun on a cop and then being shot is the same... |
Because it was a horribly bad analogy.
If the man had attempted to, or threatened to, put the cops in a situation where their heads would get bashed in on an armrest, then and only then would your analogy be valid about them "shooting because they were scared of getting shot". But that's not the case here. He didn't threaten to do to them what was done to him. They weren't "afraid of getting their heads bashed in on an armrest, so they did it to him first."
Horrible analogy.
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The cops aren't at fault. They were called in to deal with something flight related, which has serious implications. If you resist, you can expect force in return.
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This is false. Police/security don't have carte blanche to do as they please just because of resistance. You damn well are right there's going to be a full investigation if you smash some 69-year-old's face in and you are going to have to answer for how you handled the situation.
