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kopstudent89 on 10 April 2017
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Aeolus451 said:
kopstudent89 said:

And why was Aleppo different? Was it because Assad and Russia were doing the bombing and not america?

And how do you know they are using civilians? Have you been there personally or do you just assume things that prove you right. Sure it might partly that but we're talking about 1000+ civilians. This is not a small number and it certainly doesn't seem accidental, if not intentional. Sure human shields are a thing but it's no excuse and it certainly isn't a few exceptions. At the very least it wasn't handled with any consideration towards them.

Wonder how you'd think if the civilians were American? Or do civilian deaths in other countries carry less weight? 1000+... 

How do you think there's so many civilians are in the bombing sites? Americans just dropping bombs on the biggest crowds, right? lol We know they dress as civilians and keep women/children near the likely places we would bomb. There's been reports about some of their tactics. I don't care if they use human shields if the target is worth the collaretal damage. Hopefully, they'll likely stop using people as shields if they realize the tactic doesn't work. If we don't bomb those particular areas then they know it's a deterant to bombing and will continue to keep doing it. Do you think that ISIS would play by our rules or have our sense of morality? Read the articles and watch the vids.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/world/middleeast/mosul-iraq-isis-military.html?_r=0

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/25/middleeast/iraq-mosul/     

https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2017/03/26/sadly-we-have-to-expect-more-civilian-casualties-if-isis-is-to-be-defeated/

I wonder where we should put a base... Lets put it in a children's hospital or maybe a mosque or by the some apartments. All good ideas.

Our sense? I'm not from the US. I'm middleeastern. I've lived through some of the bullshit. I've watched news channels like the CNN twist facts about the region. I've seen the tactics some Western countries and their allies use against people in my region.

BTW we fucking hate ISIS and I'm saying that the majority would gladly give our lives to stop them. That said it's ironic that the Syrian government is against ISIS yet Saudi is the biggest exporter of ISIS. Where is the US exactly fighting ISIS? Some places yes other places they're labelled as the rebels. Depends where it suits to brand them however they want.

I'm sorry I'm very cynical but it's a habit you tend to have when a secretary of state like Condoleezza Rice announces during her time that there will be a new Middle East and that they want to "export democracy" to the region before the region exploded for the next 10 years or so.

I'm sure Americans don't support whatever is happening if they actually knew, and I believe that most people including yourself have good intentions when they argue. I can definitely see your point but I can't believe that the US has no economic and geo-political benefits from wars in the region is madness seeing how much money has been spent. It's just reality, the corporations and banks have run riot in the world and yeah ISIS should fucking burn but the bigger picture is that ISIS wouldn't have started had the US not given Saudi Arabia and Qatar the authority to do whatever they wanted in the region. It's plain simple.