Intrinsic said:
Mr Puggsly said:
1. We'll have to wait and see if the new console CPUs are total game changer. I don't think that will be the case.
2. PS4 Pro is a contradiction. Its the premium console for 4K TVs, but it too rarely does 4K. Passable resolution, sure. But again a more capable console that did 4K and even did a better job boosting performance in non-Pro games would have been more desireable. $499 is still pretty reasonable for a premium device designed to work on cutting edge TVs. For those on a budget, get a PS4 Slim.
3. PS4 Pro underdelivered for a premium console. Which is why you see a lot of people saying its not a big enough improvment to justify the purchase. Again, I believe people wanted more power with the Pro.
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- Look at it from a tech stand point. When we went from 28nm fabrication to 14/16nm, what that should have allowed is for as much as a theoretical 4 times boost in overall performance. Basically you can fit 4 times more transitors in the sme amount of space (in a perfect world). What we ended up with are the CPUs basically remaining the same but clocked higher (another way to go with a node shrink) and the GPUs doubling (PS4pro from 18CU to 36CU) and almost quadripling (Scorpio from 12CU to 40CU).
Now remember that the CPU has been so far left prtty much untouched.
The next consoles will be on a 7/10nm node around 2020. So we can expect a similar boost in GPU perfromance of at least double or quadriple what we have in the PS4pro/Scorpio and/or even higher clocks for the GPU or a combination of both. So we will see at least 70CU - 140CU GPUs or 70CU GPUs that run at twice the clock of what we have now with the PS4pro. So basically 70CU running at 1.8Ghz which will be around a 4 times boost in perfromance going from the PS4pro to the PS5.
And the CPU front, we are likely to see not one, but a two node shrink jump in performance. This doesn't mean we will suddenly have 32 core CPUs cause that will be a nightmare to programme for, but rather the same 8 cores but with each core having 4 times the transistors and other improvements than what we have today. And of course running at higher clocks.
So basically, just looking at the tech, looking at what has come before and how tech usually works..... the next consoles will have an at least 3-4 times jump in CPU and GPU performance from the PS4pro (using the pro as the base andnot the scorpio cause the next consoles also have tocome in at entry level pricing).
That will be a SIGNIFICANT jump. And this is before we even start talking about all the other things like Ram, bandwidth, I/O....etc.
- This is because you still don't get it or choose to look at it the wrong way. The PS4 is a 4k console. But only as far as it supporting 4k TVs and a resolution higher than 1080p. Its the same way the XB1 supports 1080p tvs but most of its games run natively at 900p or less. What the PS4 has done or does, is double its pixel performance. Thats the world it lives in. Going up from 2M to 4M pixels, then using reconstruction or in other cases upscaling to go up to 4k.
You keep saying this more desireable and ignore that fact that this stop gap bump is just enough for a lot of people. They are at least getting a noticeably better IQ than what they had with 1080p. You also need to understand that when you start adding pixels, it gets even harder to tell them apart.
- Now this may shock you, but....... the PS4 is NOT a premium console. Its a version of the PS4 that has a bigger HDD and does/supports 4k gaming. By the time its all said and done, its a budget 4k console. The scorpio is going to be what ends up being a premium console; and the funny thing is that its not because of its hardware improvements (because if anyone really wanted to make a proper 4k console now it would have ended up being the scorpio) but its premium because its just a significantly more expensive way of playing the same games that exist on the XB1s.
Take this into consideration. By the time the scorpio is released, there could also be a $200 PS4/XB1s on the market. Now even if the scorpio costs $399 (which is highly unlikely but possible) it would be costing twice as much than the XB1s/PS4. This is even a lot worse if its costs $499. Especially when at the time the PS4 pro could cost as little as $299-$350.
just think about this. Scorpio $499. PS4pro $299/$349. PS4/XB1 $199.
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1. You're speculating, we'll have to wait and see. I anticipate Scorpio will be able to handle PS5 and Next X1 content at a lower quality.
2. The X1 achieve 1080p more often than PS4 Pro does 4K. People say X1 is under powered because it doesn't do 1080p often enough, I feel PS4 is underpowered as a 4K device.
3. Nice spin, PS4 Pro a premium console. It plays the same content as a regular PS4 just better and its more expensive. This is a definition of premium, "relating to or denoting a commodity or product of superior quality and therefore a higher price."
You're speculating on prices there. If the Scorpio is going to be $499, then Sony won't be pressured into a price cut. Don't expect $199 consoles yet either.
