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@disolitude no, I meant you were just talking trash even if you don't even like the genre, like LOTS of people do comparing games against each other and they don't even play either of them. But ok, the discussion about racing is over. You can argue all you want about game scores and whatever, sales don't lie. Some people like me see more atractiveness on a $40 demo rated 80+ than paying $60 for an overhyped GTA3 upgrade rated 97+